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1. It's the copyright holders who are wrong.

   The fact that copyright holders are sending DMCA strikes for people who are listening to music during their stream is absurd. It's commercially absurd. It's ethically absurd and its practically absurd.

   First of all the behaviour by publishers is completely against their own interests and is completely ignorant of how people consume content on the internet. This isn't surprising given that these industries are essentially dominated by boomer dinosaurs who used to sell us CDs at 30 dollars a pop (30 dollars in the 90s).

   Now we can access any song we want with a click of a button. Most publishers provide a way for us to listen to their music, be it Spotify or Youtube. It's in fact really convenient and you can get many excellent versions of the same track, and the publisher gets their view.

   This is how I and most people consume music on the Internet. We do not play discrete CDs, and so forth.

   One way I am very certain that users do not consume music specifically is by seeking through mine or anyone elses's) twitch archive to look and listen to that song, which is probabbly mixed with in game sounds. Who the **** would do that?

   So that leads me to question where is the copyright danger here?

   There isn't one. This is a case of a law firm doing busy work to get paid by large copyright holders that don't really have a grasp of their accounts or their industry.

   But this practice actually hurts artists and by extension their puiblishers. Why?

   Because people don't get to hear their music. My generation, and the previous one tell me the same, that we don't get our music from advertising very much. Music is spread by word of mouth and by ear - a rewvolutionary concept for an aural medium.

   The use of these aggressive DMCA tactics by poorly configured automated bots commissioned by lawyers who don't understand the tech or the industry is inherently self-destructive because it takes money away from sales and artists - the primary function of a music publishing business; and gives it to law firms who suppress content - and by extension sales.

   Finally, the use of music in conujunction with a game stream or clips is arguably transformative. The pairing of msuic with action or visuals completely transforms and can add entirely different meaning to the work. It also can add a completely new emotional dimension.

   The pairing of music in films and in advertisements is demonstrative of this. Unfortunately content creators aren't often in ap osition to challenge the perversions of U.S copyright law often enacted by large unethical companies such as music publishers and movie studios. I mean, these are studios who employed serial rapists and Nazis, but they can be trusted when it comes to copyright?

   I don't think so.

   One would hope that Twitch has enough market leverage now to sit down with these publishers and say: "Hey, we think you are hurting yourselves here and this "problem" is an opportunity in disguise"

   Instead of removing the music, use technology to link viewers to the copyright material on youtube; link them to where they can buy it or listen to it on Google Play/Spotify etc.

   That would take much less effort than this silly game of smashing their own content and silencing the free advertising/ word of mouth about their own *** products*.

   I listen to music when I play, that's just the honest experience of watching me play. I don't do it for viewers, I just do it because twitch is a convenient source for uploading replays. I don't have the tools or the time to remove audio; and I'm not going to not listen to the music I don't like and own, in my own home, because Sony get upset when someone listens to one of their pedophiles on Youtube's quickplay by accident.

   The fact that copyright holders are sending DMCA strikes for people who are listening to music during their stream is absurd. It's commercially absurd. It's ethically absurd and its practically absurd.

   First of all the behaviour by publishers is completely against their own interests and is completely ignorant of how people consume content on the internet. This isn't surprising given that these industries are essentially dominated by boomer dinosaurs who used to sell us CDs at 30 dollars a pop (30 dollars in the 90s).

   Now we can access any song we want with a click of a button. Most… more

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2. Forum for musician links that are not DMCA

   Allow musicians who would like their music used on Twitch streams to post their links to a central forum on Twitch.

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3. Promoting music so everybody wins

   if twitch had tools to promote the music on stream with links to the music well that would be better. Games that have copyright music in it could be listed on the twitch platform & the streamer could use the game tag so all the songs from the game is listed on the stream to buy.

   with the case of the music getting pirated well artist and music companies ect will still at least get some of the revenue and the streamer could promote it more in their stream, the bigger the streamer, the more it sells. no need to copyright stike when there's money to be made instead of no money being made

   Also if you improve the platform so your Bot recognises the song played in stream or in the background even if a song is played a little well it will list the song in the music tab with a timestamp which would be incuded in the vod so everybody can see it and has the option to purchase the song. It's a good way to promote with a clear music listed tab that the viewer can view/easily click.

   There should also be a music partnership that when the streamer meets the requiredments they will get a very small cut of the songs revenue from links ect listed on their stream/vod. Plus the more songs sold from their stream/vod "partnered/unpartnered ect" should help their channel to grow and get promotes and notice ect. Even a reward tier.

   Twitch could even do sponsored music so streamers could promote music anything related. That could be great revenue like they do with sponsored games.

   if twitch had tools to promote the music on stream with links to the music well that would be better. Games that have copyright music in it could be listed on the twitch platform & the streamer could use the game tag so all the songs from the game is listed on the stream to buy.

   with the case of the music getting pirated well artist and music companies ect will still at least get some of the revenue and the streamer could promote it more in their stream, the bigger the streamer, the more it sells. no need to… more

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4. Implement measures to protect streamers from blanket copyright strikes for copyrighted content

   Currently, it is hopelessly impractical for streamers to do what they do best, entertain with back ground music filling the silence between moments when they game or interact, while the danger of blanket copyright strikes resulting in forced stream and VOD censoring exists. If twitch wants this to work effectively, they have to fight for it. This could mean hiring legal experts, and/or lobbyists to work to implement something similar to the Fair Use Act under US law in the long term, but in the mean time I've prepared a suggestion or two that should help the situation if implemented.

   Currently, the way the copyright issue works prevents any use whatsoever of music or content whose copyright is owned by someone else, and its use is often contested by automation, not by direct interaction, this is inadequate for protecting livestreamers, as it often results in mass automated over-reactions of the algorithms which twitch and copyright owners rely on to police the use of their content, as these algorithms are not fully capable of analyzing the contextual elements of each individual instance of alleged copyright infringement, simply put, the algorithms not smart enough, and it never can be, because its not a person.

   Here is how you solve this problem. The automated system of copyright claiming must be removed and replaced with good old fashioned manpower, forcing copyright owners to MANUALLY issue copyright complaints which must be MANUALLY reviewed by twitch staff/moderators, in order to do away with algorithm censoring. This would mean hiring/tasking staff who can objectively and contextually review streamer content on a ticket by ticket basis to determine whether or not the copyrighted content is being used by the streamer in a manner, that fits the exact legal terminology of copyright law.

   An expedient and effective means of contesting copyright claims must also be implemented for streamers to make use of. While copyright owners may lose money in the meantime, assuming their claims of infringement are well founded, streamers and smaller content creators often cannot afford the required downtime needed to contest or appeal a claim of this nature through the currently available methods.

   Twitch is a service provider, as such, twitch should be the first one to go to bat for people making use of their service, it shouldn't be censoring their content first and asking questions of context later, this may be more expedient on twitch's end, but it can be the difference between success and failure in the streaming world on a content creator's end. Put simply, twitch has resources, most streamers don't, so don't pass the buck, step up, and do the work, so streamers can keep making you money.

   This particular issue is not something that can be automated, not in the complaint filing, or processing aspects, without severely hampering streamers ability to create content. To fix this problem, you must put butts in the seats, and do the work the hard way. It will be thankless, and god awfully difficult, but your community will love you for it.

   Currently, it is hopelessly impractical for streamers to do what they do best, entertain with back ground music filling the silence between moments when they game or interact, while the danger of blanket copyright strikes resulting in forced stream and VOD censoring exists. If twitch wants this to work effectively, they have to fight for it. This could mean hiring legal experts, and/or lobbyists to work to implement something similar to the Fair Use Act under US law in the long term, but in the mean time I've prepared a suggestion or two that should help the situation if implemented.

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5. Option to download the original unmuted version of a VOD

   Have an option to download and/or export the original unmuted version of the VOD, if the streamer wishes to export the unmuted version to YouTube or download the unmuted version to edit out the copyrighted music, so the streamer has an unmuted version for a highlight.

   Another potential option is to have the same thing, but make it a tool on the Twitch website (like where the past broadcasts are stored). As in, having the streamer edit out unmuted parts, but make it so they're not just separate VODS- have the choice to merge them together.

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6. DMCA Dashboard Alerts

   A notification on the dashboard when we get a DMCA, in case the email gets caught in a filter, goes to an old account, or doesn't reach us for some other reason.

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7. DMCA notifications in creator dashboard

   A notification in the Creator Dashboard of how many strikes you have, any strikes you receive, and the ability to handle said strike.

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8. Private the server Twitch keeps all of the deleted VODs and clips on

   Evidence of the situation I describe will be at the end of this description.

   Twitch streamers are being DMCA'd despite deleting all of their old VODs and clips that they were told to delete. For those that aren't aware, that media never actually got deleted, just taken off of Twitch. Every old VOD and clip that has ever existed (yes that includes banned streamers) are still stored on a server that Twitch owns.

   Now you may be wondering why this is an issue, and more importantly, why is this only an issue now? Well here's the thing: The server hosting this content is completely public.

   Because this server is public, DMCA bots have found their way into it, and despite the streamers deleting everything like they were told, they are STILL getting DMCA takedowns because of this server's current state. This is of no fault of their own.

   I am not suggesting we nuke every last second of content on the server. Twitch just needs to make the server not public so that streamers don't get struck down for content that they tried to delete.

   Context and evidence for those that are not aware of the situation:

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKJ2QUPffIg

   Accounts from other streamers claiming this happened to them:

   https://twitter.com/DevinNash/status/1324686842298470400

   https://twitter.com/GassyMexican/status/1324481422762061826

   https://twitter.com/Heelmike/status/1324168743434493952

   Evidence of the situation I describe will be at the end of this description.

   Twitch streamers are being DMCA'd despite deleting all of their old VODs and clips that they were told to delete. For those that aren't aware, that media never actually got deleted, just taken off of Twitch. Every old VOD and clip that has ever existed (yes that includes banned streamers) are still stored on a server that Twitch owns.

   Now you may be wondering why this is an issue, and more importantly, why is this only an issue now? Well here's the thing: The server hosting… more

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9. It is not the responsibility of the streamer to identify what infringes, but the party who files the DMCA claim

   In your email you state

   "For your stream archives (VODs and Clips), right now your only options, if you think they contain unauthorized music, is to either go through them one by one, or, for Clips, use the “delete all” tool we’ve provided."

   This is utter ********.

   When a streamer is alleged to have violated anything, that allegation should clearly refer to the video that violates, along with timestamps of the time ranges that violate.

   Then, the infringing content can be taken down if it is deemed to violate DMCA.

   You cannot expect that a streamer should pre-emptively go one by one through to "verify" themselves that all of their content does not infringe.

   You cannot possibly be processing any DMCA claim that does not clearly reference the actual video and time ranges that violate.

   Please clarify that to the streamer community that every DMCA takedown notice will clearly come with the target video in question and the time ranges.

   If your guideline is that streamers should have the responsibility doubt themselves and their old recorded content beforehand to "save their *****" from a future ban. And they should pre-emptively delete content to avoid getting banned, you are harming the platform.

   I have seen a number of streamers worrying about their content, since they cannot clearly know what infringes, and they do not clearly know if they can be held liable to a ban.

   So please clarify how you are processing DMCA takedown notices, clarify the information that such violation allegations come with, and how the process relates to videos being taken down, or streamers being banned.

   Thanks!

   In your email you state

   "For your stream archives (VODs and Clips), right now your only options, if you think they contain unauthorized music, is to either go through them one by one, or, for Clips, use the “delete all” tool we’ve provided."

   This is utter ********.

   When a streamer is alleged to have violated anything, that allegation should clearly refer to the video that violates, along with timestamps of the time ranges that violate.

   Then, the infringing content can be taken down if it is deemed to violate DMCA.

   You cannot expect that a streamer should pre-emptively go one… more

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10. NCS music is being muted, but you list in the blog as a safe source, why is that

    I have not got a strike on me, but I did have vods automatically muted by using NCS playlists. Though, in the email sent today, referencing your BLOG, you indicate this is a safe source, which it is. So why does it get muted?

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11. Recognize no us entities and the separate licensing structures for their regions, ie Canada / SOCAN

    some of us are already bound by licensing agreements under entities such as the Canadian org. SOCAN

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12. Call out specific guidelines for original creators

    I stream my own music, 100% created by me. Many times, this includes improvised material created on the spot - so it would never be trackable via any digital rights system. Twitch gives no guidelines about this, but should call out specific rules to be sure artists like myself are not wrongly accused of a violation.

    I am an ASCAP member of 30+ years, but that does nothing to help me in these cases. Material created in an improv context can not go through the same checks and balances as pre-recorded material released via album or download. Twitch needs to understand how users are leveraging their platform and be prepared to handle these types of artists.

    I stream my own music, 100% created by me. Many times, this includes improvised material created on the spot - so it would never be trackable via any digital rights system. Twitch gives no guidelines about this, but should call out specific rules to be sure artists like myself are not wrongly accused of a violation.

    I am an ASCAP member of 30+ years, but that does nothing to help me in these cases. Material created in an improv context can not go through the same checks and balances as pre-recorded material released via album or download. Twitch needs to… more

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13. Actually respond and have a place for attachments when filing an appeal

    Months ago, I filed for an appeal on another twitch channel I run and I never got a response. There’s no way for me to contact about being updated. Also, when filing the appeal, there was no way for me to attach proof that I had permission from the artist to use their song. So, attachments when filing an appeal needs to be a thing. And again, I never heard back so that part of the one video is still muted despite appeal being filed months ago and having the artist’s permission in writing

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14. DMCA Management Tool

    With the wave of mass-deletion we have found that the methods for reviewing DMCA claims and taking appropriate action has been like trying to change a light bulb with no hands.

    I propose:

    Since all deleted content is held in archives, it should become viewable to only the streamer who can selectively re-publish content that does not have DMCA strikes. Furthermore, they can take action to mute content, appeal or delete the content totally.

    Any content with a DMCA strike goes into the "hidden" directory that the creator can access. They will then have some options for how to handle it. The portions of video with DMCA strikes will be highlighted but can be adjusted and sent for review. This is to combat the auto-mute system from over-muting a video.

    From this dashboard, a creator can either upload their license and documentation or send an appeal with reasoning.

    I also suggest that Twitch add the name of the rightsholder and the song/sound. That way a user can fact check on their own end and make an informed appeal if necessary.

    Twitch should also make available a list of games that are frequently DMCA'd due to their in-game soundtrack. Some companies care and others don't. We'd like to know beforehand which games to spend money and time on.

    With the wave of mass-deletion we have found that the methods for reviewing DMCA claims and taking appropriate action has been like trying to change a light bulb with no hands.

    I propose:

    Since all deleted content is held in archives, it should become viewable to only the streamer who can selectively re-publish content that does not have DMCA strikes. Furthermore, they can take action to mute content, appeal or delete the content totally.

    Any content with a DMCA strike goes into the "hidden" directory that the creator can access. They will then have some options for how to handle… more

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15. Restitution for streamers unfairly banned/lost years of content

    Twitch should find a way to reimburse or provide recompense for the unfair and extremely short timeframe to deal with their VODs. Many streamers lost years of content because they simply didn't have time to download and archive their VODs, which is absolutely unacceptable in this industry. Twitch has acknowledged that they screwed up, so let's hear them state what their plans are for making it right to those negatively affected.

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16. Transparency regarding why we're specifically receiving DMCA strikes

    I appreciate that copyright exists and I as a creator need to respect those rules however I believe music is an integral part of my streams and my current growth on twitch. I have no problem removing and replacing some songs in my playlist however there has been a tremendous amount of inconsistency when it comes to what parts of my streams are being muted.

    I would love a way of knowing which songs and why are getting copyrighted so I have a chance to learn from the problems and not just be told I'm doing something wrong.

    I appreciate everything the twitch community has said and done for the past little while about these situations, but I would appreciate a little more transparency considering we're all people.

    Just help me out and let me know how I can keep growing in a DMCA friendly environment and not be cut out of the loop of creators.

    Thanks Twitch team!

    I appreciate that copyright exists and I as a creator need to respect those rules however I believe music is an integral part of my streams and my current growth on twitch. I have no problem removing and replacing some songs in my playlist however there has been a tremendous amount of inconsistency when it comes to what parts of my streams are being muted.

    I would love a way of knowing which songs and why are getting copyrighted so I have a chance to learn from the problems and not just be told I'm doing something wrong.

    I appreciate… more

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17. GIVE MORE TRANSPARENCY FOR COPYRIGHT FREE CONTENT.

    More details are SPECIFICALLY needed for NO COPYRIGHT SOUNDTRACKS / sounds during streams. A lot of my personal archives and streams get flagged when using songs that have been listed on sources as COPYRIGHT FREE and still get flagged. The same goes for MULTIPLE other channels and something needs to be outlined for this proccess because somewhere, someone is doing something wrong.

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18. Soundexchange, BMI, and ASCAP

    Dear Twitch Overlords and Emperors (and maybe Mr. Bezos himself),

    My name is Rob and I hail from a band called Psychostick, and we've been active professionally since about 2005. We've gone through the gamut of the music business in our own way and have learned quite a bit about the inner workings of the industry.

    The DCMA thing is something us artists respect and appreciate, however since this takedown drama started happening, I believe there's a simple (but probably not easy) solution to this problem that terrestrial radio stations have been abiding by since music became an "industry."

    Bars, venues, and radio stations all have to pay royalties to labels/artists for playing copyrighted recordings. These payments typically go to BMI or ASCAP, both of which exist to make sure that artists and labels are being fairly compensated for the use of their music.

    Furthermore, other internet-based royalty collection services have crept up, such as SoundExchange.

    My suggestion is that Twitch as a whole look into royalty collection services for streamers.

    My other suggestion for this would be to charge streamers what a "spin" of a song would be. For example, if a streamer were to play a Michael Jackson song, the song-sniffing algorithms would pick up on this, report it to Twitch and whichever royalty collection service they would partner up with, and then charge the streamer PER SPIN of each song.

    If playing a recording of a Michael Jackson song costs the streamer something like five cents, charge the streamer five cents and pay the royalty collection service accordingly.

    I can say, with complete confidence, that the vast majority of streamers would gladly pay royalties to spin these songs on their stream. It's a win/win - the labels and artists are compensated, and the streamer gets to play ANY MUSIC THEY WANT without worrying about DCMA takedowns.

    Please consider a solution like this. I'm sure you might have already.

    Thank you!

    • Rob and Psychostick

    Dear Twitch Overlords and Emperors (and maybe Mr. Bezos himself),

    My name is Rob and I hail from a band called Psychostick, and we've been active professionally since about 2005. We've gone through the gamut of the music business in our own way and have learned quite a bit about the inner workings of the industry.

    The DCMA thing is something us artists respect and appreciate, however since this takedown drama started happening, I believe there's a simple (but probably not easy) solution to this problem that terrestrial radio stations have been abiding by since music became an "industry."

    Bars,… more

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19. Sync Licenses

    Create a portal on the dashboard where a creator can apply for Sync Licenses. Work with the creator, not against them.

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20. Copy YouTube's system

    Did I stutter, your current system is NOT viable, nor does it keep you, or your creators safe.

    stop screwing with people's lives, and do this right.

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