Intentional misuse of tags ie. Vtuber tag on non-Vtuber
There has been a recent rise in streamers misusing the tag system, most noticeably with non-Vtubers using the Vtuber tag. This makes discoverability more difficult for both streamers who are actually Vtubers, and viewers trying to use the tag system to find Vtubers. Even prominent streamers are misusing tags, so this behavior has been spreading. I'd like to ask Twitch staff to please enforce action on the misuse of tags to help the streamers and viewers who are using the tag system as intended. Banning streamers from using specific tags they have been caught and verified to be abusing them might be a helpful solution to consider.
Hi, thanks for flagging this and sharing your suggestion.
We share and understand your concerns about how the intentional, repeated misuse of tags can undermine the purpose of the tags product itself. Tags are an important discoverability feature for communities, and a powerful way for all Creators—but especially those that are underrepresented—to express their personal identity and creative vision for their content.
We also do not feel Twitch should be the judge of Creators’ personal or creative identity, so we typically only enforce against the misuse of tags when it is associated with other behavior that violates our Community Guidelines such as hateful conduct or harassment.
That said, as the VTuber community’s experience demonstrates, there are limitations to this approach and we are actively investigating additional steps we can take to protect and improve the integrity of the tags feature at scale, without infringing on good faith Creators’ personal choice to express themselves and define their content.
Our goal is to have more to share with you about the tags feature later this year.
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KattPhloxworthy commented
I'm a bit miffed that your position is "let's hide and watch". But on the other hand, given the recent round of improvements with hate raids which have had, in my recent experience, the (very desirable) side effect of trapping spammers, I can give you the benefit of the doubt. However, as has been said, These other users who intentionally use the VTuber tag who are actually not VTubers can be used to game the quest for visibility. The sooner this can be dealt with, the better.
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DaveGamesVT commented
Going to add a comment here and recommend people trying to stream on YouTube. It's honestly a surprisingly good platform for live streams. It seems to work quite well for Hololive.
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calebd0ta commented
im not much of a streamer myself but vtubers are a very awesome and artistic way of streaming and making content. people using their popularity to boost themselves up from it is just plain dumb.
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dirtyshadow commented
Misusing tags also effects the recommended algorithms, please stop streamers mislabelling their content its effecting the viewers/subscribers experience.
This is the first time in a long time I have had to click "Not Interested" in a recommended list.
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ArashiKuu commented
"Later this year"..."steps we can take to protect and improve the integrity of the tags", let me give you an easy one, punish the users that misuse the tag system.
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ArielleNoriboshi commented
"Later this year", when you can reach out to big streamers who are known offenders, via official channels, and tell them that they shouldn't be misusing the VTuber tag like they currently are.
I appreciate that writing code takes time, but you already have rules in place that you can and should enforce now.
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BarefootEllecktric commented
The Jetri dude below this, you alright mate? As someone who has 58 followers and was last live 2 months ago, you’re projecting some hard feelings right now, but if letting your frustrations out here makes you feel better, whatever my guy, just don’t put a whole bunch of people down for feelings you may be having regarding your own content.
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ZabiOhki commented
@JETRI STFU! Its in Twitches OWN TERMS OF SERVICE! Under SECTION 9!
TOS
9 Prohibited contenti. create, upload, transmit, distribute, or store any content that is inaccurate, unlawful, infringing, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, harassing, threatening, abusive, inflammatory, or otherwise objectionable;
v. defame, harass, abuse, threaten, or defraud users of the Twitch Services, or collect or attempt to collect, personal information about users or third parties without their consent;
Content Labeling
You are expected to accurately label your content to the best of your ability. When choosing a category or tag, please choose whichever best describes your content. Deliberate or extensive misuse of titles, tags, games/categories, or other metadata are prohibited. -
JETRI commented
People below thinking big streamers are stealing their viewers because they're using the tag lmao. You are just boring and not entertaining to watch, That's the reason why nobody watches you.
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mlgbobby_yt commented
I can't say I'm surprised just disappointed
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ChiuShirataki commented
As someone who does both vtuber and irl content, there's no excuse for the misuse of the tag. In my opinion, it's as simples as, if you are NOT using a virtual avatar or either actively collaborating with someone who is or are working on VTuber related content, then don't use the tag. Whenever I do cosplay streams, unless my model is also on the screen or I'm in a collab, I switch the tag to Cosplay. It's not hard.
Also, as a transgender woman, I fail to see how any of this has to with personal identities of creators beyond xQc's blatantly transphobic joke about gatekeeping and "identifying as a vtuber." it's clear to everyone what both what he was trying to insinuate and that he factually doesn't use a virtual avatar.
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Bucket_the_humanoid_mimic commented
I see the admin has just told us that we can break the tos cool thanks admin can't wait to stream completely nude
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Badiiin commented
If someone streams a Soccer broadcast pretending to play FIFA 22 this person would be banned in minutes. Is not that hard to enforce the TOS for something obviously as not using a 2D or 3D avatar.
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Maguhaki commented
We shouldn't be shocked at Twitch's response, they don't want to do anything that will help or enforce any of there "TOS" where they should even if hugely pressured into doing so.
Twitch has shown they will never enforce there own rule on the people that are violating them even when its right in there faces, and mass reported to them with there own system and every time its the same streamers doing it.
It's dose not matter how many times this is going to happen Twitch will not take action to stop it or minimise it, they just don't care.
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AvilaRozma commented
You might as well get rid of tags at this point tbh
"We also do not feel Twitch should be the judge of Creators’ personal or creative identity, so we typically only enforce against the misuse of tags when it is associated with other behavior that violates our Community Guidelines such as hateful conduct or harassment."
VTubers are literally identified by USING A DIGITAL. DRAWN, OR GENERATED AVATAR. IN A 2D OR A 3D SPACE.
Anyone with a working mind and a common sense can just see it.
"investigating additional steps we can take to protect and improve the integrity of the tags feature at scale"
As zachbussey said in his video all you have to do is actually take steps and punish the ones who are misusing the tags and actively advocating for it, like how your DMCA system works. The others will follow in example.
But they make too much money for you huh twitch? There's no real repercussions for you not enforcing this, unlike DMCAs after all :)
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TheStarSibyl commented
Nice to know twitch dosnt care about its platform anymore. Remember twitch, the bigger you are, the harder you fall.
If you don't fix what's broken, small problems turn into BIG ones and you only have yourself to blame for that. );
I stand with the vtuber community. -
CamyCool77 commented
(Continuation of J.C's Statement)
Furthermore! Said individuals are hurting YOUR business! YOUR image! YOUR company! As a businessman I will not tolerate this lack of involvement! You have a woman Deepthroating a Microphone using tags that aren't meant for said channel EXPLOITING Vtubers business revenue. Then she proceeds to hurt your workers by harassing them, mocking them, telling them to F*ck off, And THEIR fans come and tell Vtube content creators to go DIE!? TWITCH!? Does that scream business to you? Does that say we uphold our platform with utmost care to you!? No, it doesn’t in the slightest! It’s GROTESQUE! CHILDISH! THIS IS A SITE OF ARTIST, GAMING ENTREPRENEURS! AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS! WITH MINDS OF CREATIVITY! TO HAVE A GREAT TIME! DEEPTHROATING A MICROPHONE IS NOT VTUBER CONTENT! A CHILD DOES NOT NEED TO SEE THAT! STOP LETTING FOOLISH PEOPLE BASH YOUR WORKERS OF THE VTUBER COMMUNITY! IT ISN’T ACCEPTABLE!
Now..unlike the rest of the mockers that see this, I see the bigger picture while they see a narrow view with simplicity, disregarding all the damage, pain, suffering, heartache, tears, depression, anxiety, stress, and anger they caused, But in light of this you proceed to do..nothing? Fix it later during the year? GET YOUR LAZY REARS UP! AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES!
Do you think those exploiting, business stealing, harassing mockers, you call content creators are going to stop? You bet a million dollars they are going to SPAM the use of the tag for their own selfish gain and you say you’re going to fix it later? Get to work! PERIOD!
Also I wanna take a moment to address these childish idealistic views to justify their actions! I Quote from XQc the one said making foolish states which is also in itself a contradiction against his defense.“Stop the hypocrisy. People have been misusing sections and tags on Twitch since the beginning of time,” xQc said. “The reality is, nobody should give a fuck. If you are mad, you are the only person who cares and is mad.”
The French-Canadian streamer went on to explain that he does believe himself to be a VTuber. “I am VTuber, what about it? Stop gatekeeping,” xQc said. “This is a message to VTubers, what gives you the right to say I’m not a VTuber?”
As he said, people have been Misusing the tags since the beginning? But that in itself doesn’t justify doing said action, rather it’s like saying since everyone else is stealing, then who cares! Let’s keep stealing! There’s nothing wrong with it! We’ve been doing this for years! So let’s keep stealing! Who cares what they say! They are just mad!”
Regardless of the time or length, it doesn’t justify their actions! You all know this! To debunk his statement that he said afterwards about “Identifying as Vtuber.” IF you don’t own and use a Vtuber model on a constant basis you are not a Vtuber! There is not “I say I am” It’s clear cut! Anything more is just an idealist notion that is created! It is not FACT! But just something to use to justify their actions because there is nothing to support this claim! Rather it’s another ideal created! Nothing more! STOP MAKING A IDEALISTIC LOOPHOLE! YOU ARE STEALING FROM CONTENT CREATORS! THEIR REVENUE! THEIR SUPPORTERS! THEIR HARD WORK! You are wrong for the simple fact! It’s not convoluted! Rather you’re making things up to justify your “view” So you continue STEALING the Vtuber business! YOU are in reality and we ALL KNOW! You’re doing this SO YOU CAN ABUSE THE SYSTEM! Because if you all weren’t then we wouldn’t be in this mess YOU created! And all you’re bringing to the table is made up views to somehow justify what you’re doing!What’s being done isn’t! And I REPEAT! ISN’T A JUSTIFIED ACTION TO DEFEND THEIR USE TO CONTINUE USING THESE BUSINESS TAGS! RATHER! IT’S LIKE A CONVICT TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEIR INNOCENCE WHILE IT’S OBVIOUS SAID ACT WAS A CRIME! TRYING TO MAKE UP FABRICATED IDEALS TO JUSTIFY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE! FOR SELFISH GAIN!
THAT is the reality! Stop being confused because of a MADE UP view! That is obviously wrong! They care nothing but to abuse the system and get themselves higher! While the vtubers suffer, while they get depressed, threatened, sent hate messages! YOU ARE NOT CORRECT! You do not stand with the moral high ground! YOU PEOPLE ARE TAKING, STEALING, BULLYING, HATING, DISCRIMINATING, CAUSING MORE AND MORE DAMAGE WITH YOUR SELFISH IDEALISCT VIEWS THAT YOU CREATE TO SUPPORT YOUR SELFISH GAIN! NOTHING MORE!As a businessman, and a citizen, this is nothing more but an act to selfishly gain the hard earned work of others and ABUSE the tags that are for the BUSINESS of the vtuber community! But they continue to harrasses and make fabricated ideals to justify their actions. It’s CHILDISH NOTHING MORE!
Sincerely-J.C.
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CamyCool77 commented
Dear Twitch and Content Creators, (From J.C)
As stated by the Vtuber community, Non-Vtubers are using the business tags to steal THEIR supporters, THEIR business revenue, And THEIR time and effort. And you replied with
“We also do not feel Twitch should be the judge of Creators’ personal or creative identity, so we typically only enforce against the misuse of tags when it is associated with other behavior that violates our Community Guidelines such as hateful conduct or harassment.”
There is no “I define my channel as this” when it’s obvious! Gaming is gaming, Art is Art, Nature is Nature. Each tag comes with its own specific use for what it’s obviously used for. And to point it out the people being reported at least the two main people causing this issue, ARE harassing the Vtuber community! And you’re not stopping them! Now first! Before I continue, consider this! Art is art, yes? And a Nature channel is for Nature correct? So if a Nature channel puts a thumbnail for gaming content, Then proceeds to use tags for said game in the tag option but then streams a nature documentary, they would be violating your terms, correct? Wouldn’t it be wrong? Since they would be posting content that would STEAL from other categories and they would be falsifying the content being used? So they would then gain viewers by falsifying what is being posted. So what’s the difference between people stealing the Vtuber tags for their channel that has nothing to do with being a Vtuber? We are adults and this MUST be dealt with..There is no “Well I see it as this” In reality, these people are HURTING their content, HARASSING them, MOCKING and BEATING them down, draining their time, energy and breaking down people’s mental states and well being! GET IT DONE! BECAUSE YOU AREN'T PICKING UP THE DAMAGE THEY CAUSE!
TWITCH! You’re allowing a woman that is DEEPTHROATING on a live stream to harass your HARD WORKING EMPLOYEES, FURTHERMORE! THEIR fans attack Vtubers!! And you proceed to allow it to continue? You call this taking care of it? You say this is your company? Get it done! I will not tolerate excuses. There is no “I look at like this or that” Get your rears in gear and get this dealt with! I will NOT allow potential deaths to happen. And you as a company are held to be responsible for it, You are to see the bigger picture and I see it all. People CAN and COULD die from this, you aren't there to stop it. As a businessman I say to you “GET TO WORK!” Use your common sense because I’m tired of seeing the opposite being done by a COMPANY! -
Yatekko commented
This has nothing to do with a creator's "personal or creative identity". The definition of a VTuber includes using a virtual avatar, which these streamers abusing the tag system are *not* doing. Don't give us this bullshit favoritism.
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ShadowthePast commented
Failing to enforce proper tag usage on your own platform defeats the entire purpose of tags even existing. Why should I search the VTuber tag if half of the results aren't VTubers? Why should I search the English tag if half the results speak 0 English? Why should I search the League of Legends tag if half of them aren't playing League? There is no difference between misuse of any of these tags, and trying to skirt around the issue by trying to pull some "identifying as a VTuber" **** is just blatant favoritism towards non-VTubers.
Admit that it's abuse of the tag and respond to that abuse like you would any other abuse, with punishments.