Sensitive social issues Bullet points need to be removed, not 'clarified'
it doesn't matter how much you 'clarify' the point of the final two bullets, they are not fit for the political category especially when contrasted with the other things in the category. Putting peoples rights in there opens up marginalized groups to hate and bigotry. We want the points REMOVED and twitch's response is completely missing the point the community has been making.
At what point does something go from 'personal experience' to 'too political'? if a streamer talks about their own right to an abortion being taken away where they live, is that personal experience or political? it is entirely subjective. Is a trans person talking about their experiences with HRT 'fact based'? Who determines this? The bigots who will undoubtedly mass report said streamers to shut them up?
"intermittent mentions of (...) sensitive social issues are not required to have the politics and sensitive social issues label" how long is intermittent? most streamers i watch like to have small conversations with chat about social issues, how long can these chats go on for?
I don't understand why you refuse to just take out the 'Sensitive social issues' point. It's what the user base is asking you to do and it is the right thing to do.
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FoxtheValiant
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Define polarizing and inflammatory for me. Your points are gray and leave room for bigotry and prejudice... I'm starting to see a decent case that would easily hold together, especially if a few thousand of us felt put out, discriminated, emotionally abused, just to name a few. Isn't Twitch's headquarters in CA?! What's their state discrimination policies look like?! anyone?
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kjaysaint1
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Equating the existence of a group to war is not how to bring a community together. It's silencing voices, alienating the LGBTQ+ community, and incites viewers to be vitriolic without giving the full picture. This is a very deliberate addition to the rules that reflect those in the company and can be very easily rewritten.
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cidriel
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They refuse to take it out because it's what their Brands want, and in the end of the day the advertisers needs outweigh the audience and their content creators both. Which is disgusting, and why I'm signing again.
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StefanyIsGirlNow
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As a queer user my existence is not a sensitive social issue, nor is the existence of my Arab and Muslim peers. Twitch needs to do better.
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HoneyBearnadette
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As a trans streamer, this makes streaming without this label insanely hard because I do at times talk about issues related to my community, but usually is nowhere near the focus of my stream. Does this mean any time I go live I have to label it as controversial and political? Twitch, do better. Queer people deserve to exist on your platform without being labeled as political.
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xbellezax
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People existing is not a political issue. Having this for the literal politicians that stream their rallies and streams talking about the political situation in the world is fine, but humanitarian crisis's, people's right to exist, and sexualities/gender identities are not politics! This only opens the possibilities that people get harrassed for existing.
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The_Minty_Mel
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Saying it louder for those in the back: The existence of LGBTQIA+ individuals is NOT political! The "sensitive social issues" bullet point NEEDS TO GO. We are valid individuals just like anyone else, and Twitch needs to recognize this. Do not bow down to bigotry just for the sake of lord knows what. If Twitch wants to keep its viability as a streaming platform, it needs to allow EVERYONE to exist on it accordingly.
Again: Remove the last two bullet points. Don't "clarify" them, GET RID OF THEM.
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giuseppesec
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until twitch actually holds its top earners to these ******** terms (which they never will), they will always in reality just be giving power to far right freaks and incels who harrass smaller creators.
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Heartburn_the_pink_dragon
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FFS Twitch. Our existence is not political. Listen to your users. Drop that bullet point.
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LassarinaRose
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Twitch's refusal to take out the "Sensitive Social Issues" bullet point shows that they are more interested in yielding to fascist agitators than anything else. Stop that.
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Altirnate
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The first initial 2 or 3 bullets would easily take down a politician streaming their rallies and protests and mobs.
And yet there was one on my recommendeds. Which, Twitch, your algorithm has been so bad since whatever happened to the mobile app, but let's get back on track.
Why are hateful political figures given a platform for said hate, but I can't say "I wish everyone to be comfortable with their identity, in their hearts and minds, with the image they see in the mirror and the voice they hear from their throats. To feel comfortable to be themselves, wherever they are, whoever they're with" because I spoke a little to long about a "sensitive social issue" thus making it not intermittent?
(And why are political rallies even on Twitch??? If you wanted to avoid this type of thing, why are they here?)
We can't talk about ourselves anymore because our existence is made politcal once again by people ignorant to the entire concept of LGBTQIA+. -
RaZorwiresc2
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If only "lived experiences" can be talked about without needing a label, where does that leave people who are talking about the lived experiences of others? If straight people talk about the experiences of an LGBT friend of theirs, do they need to label the stream?
Also, why is advocating for the safety and wellbeing of people in various minority groups something that needs to be labeled in the first place? Why would the desire to see people treated fairly and equally be even slightly controversial or politically loaded?
Labeling these issues as sensitive or controversial just gives credence to bigoted ideals that are trying to discriminate against minority groups, and want to label any discussion supporting them as something controversial or sensitive.
Advocating for equality and fairness is not, and should never be, a controversial or sensitive issue.
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Doogie2K
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Queer, especially trans, people need the right to exist and advocate for their own existence without being considered "controversial." There's an asymmetrical issue here where people who want to see queer people dead are placed on the same level as the queer people themselves, and it cannot be more obvious how terrible of an idea this is. Stop trying to both-sides this, Amazon, and do your damned job of protecting your users from hate. This is not a both-sides issue. People's lives and livelihoods are at stake. Fix this.
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Exacerangutan
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Let's pretend Twitch is serious about this, and go over very very very basic political science and rhetoric: All Speech Is Political. Speech includes intentional void within speech. In other words, literally ALL streams are, subtly or otherwise, political content. Viewers decide what content they do or don't want at the time of viewing. That's how Twitch (and viewership in general) works.
If Twitch is serious about their terms of service, and doesn't want people to BS and skirt around them, then a political speech restriction is at best meaningless and at worst self-defeating. The only rational conclusions people can draw from this are that either the political speech checkbox is a huge mistake, or that Twitch is NOT serious and that there are ulterior motives to this TOS addition--for example, to suppress some forms of speech (including verifiably factual speech) by labeling them as extreme or divisive, while promoting others as normative. This amounts to a "don't say gay" law, pretending that it's okay because it's just a "don't say gay TOO much" law.
Either people are allowed to speak honestly on Twitch and the political speech tag should be required for all streams and is therefore meaningless, OR people are NOT allowed to speak honestly and Twitch should just come out and say it so we can all decide how to respond. TOS is not the place for dissembling and rhetorical PR games. Twitch needs to either acknowledge the political speech checkbox as a mistake and a useless article that can only be used to harm its community, OR state openly what it's actually there for. If Twitch wants to suppress the political speech of those who are repressed, whether this is motivated by Twitch's own politics or by a desire to appeal to the politics of potential advertisers, that is a choice Twitch can make--but it's pretty pathetically cowardly to pretend that the intention is to protect the community, as though the community doesn't know when it's being protected and when it's not.
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MiniMomma99
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Basic human rights shouldn't be "political". Also talking about one's life experience isn't political.
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MxtressMyxx
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No clarification will ever make it okay for me to be forced to wear a label that will destroy my ad revenue just because I occasionally talk about my lived experience
The community, almost as a whole, has requested removal of these points, your lack of willingness to do so seems to be pushing a narrative that you might not be as friendly to lgbtq as you pretend to be
Do the right thing, or just admit that you're trying to enable bigots because you're afraid of losing advertisers
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Cal_VT
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Twitch is again showing they aren't listening to the issue and attempting to "patch" it. Twitch for one and again, actually read and listen to what the issue was. The rule itself doesn't need to be added as it still feels like all you wanna do is attack people. Again remove it all together and once again LISTEN to your userbase and ask what should be part of rules and actually help out this community you say you care about.
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pllar_of_s4lt
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I am not a political issue. The bigots are the ones who are making it weird. Everybody poops, everybody likes to play sports. Just go the **** away.
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MonarchLou
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The clarification isn't enough. Remove the bullet point for marginalized groups being seen as political.
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QueenPiB
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Gosh if only Twitch had a bunch of contractors on payroll who were part of a group who could have advised Twitch on how to go about such things. You could have even called it a "Safety Advisory Committee!"