Kick unwanted users/bots from Channel COMPLETELY!
We are now dealing with a new threat of bot accounts. These accounts sit lurking in channel, possibly logging info of either streamers or chatters. They may be using this info for giveaway sniping, or possible future bot attacks, including viewer bots, follower bots, and even spam bots. They sit there and do nothing, they follow us to other streams we host/raid. We ban them, not like they ever say anything, but to prevent them from spreading, we need a way to KICK THEM OFF THE CHANNEL.
Recently had a run in with "Opentwitchbot" whom acknowledges that they are running a bot in other's channels, but never requested permission to do so, instead, they want us to run THEIR command in our channels to make them leave, which isn't possible on our bots, because our bots are not design for that command, nor is it a Twitch command. I don't know what their command is doing, and I certainly don't trust it. When confronting them on the fact that their bot is breaking ToS, they reported me for reporting them. I requested and stated to them several times, their bot is not welcomed in my channel, and they refused to remove themselves until the end of my stream, waiting for me to host someone and latch on to them, thus spreading.
We've all been noticing another set of bots possibly working together, Faegwent ThisIsMyDevAccount and chatdb, they never speak, but they have hundreds if not thousands of followers, they never broadcast, etc etc, what are they doing sitting in our chat? sending info to these followers? that's against ToS. We the broadcasters need an option to kick them from the page, doesn't have to be permanent, they might have an option to hop back on, but I think we should have some sort of captcha security so they can PROVE they are human, and not a bot when rejoining the page!
Banning doesn't do enough if they can still read the chat and gather the info. Reporting seems to do nothing for the past 2 months of reporting them, from MULTIPLE witnesses/reporters. It's about time we have some control over the unwelcome bot accounts.
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A Hard Working Broadcaster, just trying to stop the spread of unwanted guests.
Hi, I know that this is a very late response, but we’re hoping to find time to address this issue later this year. There are a few steps we’ll have to take to solve this problem in a way that will work for all streamers, but we understand the severity of the issue.
My favorite part of this is when people who aren't bots responded and the creator still puts them as bots. Awkward moment when your post was proven a myth.
Sickfold also one
Mark Allan Lang commented
personally most I dont have the problem with bots that tell you how to get rid of them but the ones that just sit with 0 information on them sure right totally legit I just hope some of the Twitchpartners actually gonna go and complain to twitch about those bots so that Twitch thinks ok now we could do something....
I will be addressing this in person at Twitch Con. I hope having a person in front of them might make some kind of impact. It would be a bigger impact if many people approached them at TC this year about this bot business.
@Critango These bots can be in thousands of channels at a time. I don't see how any one account could keep them there and not on anyone else's channel.
If we still cant ban then, I have a solution. We need to create a univeral sticky account that we can atach all the bots to. This would be hard, but if it became well-known, then we can send all of the bots to the same account by hosting it and keep that one stream running 24/7. If they are all there and the stream never closes then it would be like prison for the bots... Essentially, if we cant kill it then trap it. Its either genius or I dont undnerstand how it works
i'm guessing there is no way of getting rid of these bots. i tried yesterday !leavechat in skinnyseahorse channel, gets banned no reason asked. You can clearly look at his channel. bot settings.Its not like i care about being ban from a channel that is an actual bot. In my opinion i think some are doing this to advertise, like some that lurk in everyones channel trying to get a lot of followers. That's what i think.
you know my main question is what are these bots tracks and who are they selling to. honestly with this many bots there must be money in it people dont do something in mass if theres no reward.
im sharing this on discord were getting this seen dammit
@N3td3v I've spoken to CommanderRoot as well. He's the guy who runs the CommanderRoot bot. It's a bot in the same way that HydrationBot is. If not, there wouldn't be a sentence that you can input to have them leave your channel permanently.
And that's one of the reasons I'm ok with his style of bot. There's actually a way to make him leave permanently. So does Lanfusion and one other that I'm forgetting.
@Evelyn McKnight Your post from 091118 erroneously lists me (n3td3v) as a bot which I am by no means. I am not only a streamer supporter & promoter, but I am also a Twitch content creator much like yourself, and correct me if I am wrong here, but I do not believe I have ever been to your channel so therefore it would be wrong to lump sum me along with several others on your list as 'bots'. I only actively lurk the channels of my subscribers and other small streamers that have asked me for help in growing their channels because I SUPPORT ALL STREAMERS that want/need it. Also, I have personally talked to CommanderRoot on many occasion and I can testify that he is also not a bot, but actually Twitch staff.
Mr. Baggins commented
In respond to -> #4 - It got gifted a sub? That’s unlucky. Twitch need to fix their algorithm.
Good bots just deactivate in the Twitch Settings that they can receive gifts.... :)
Also I do not care about "bots" in my channel as long as they do not talk.
You also could use tools like Chatty or TC to join hundreds to thousands of channels and would receive a lot of Subgifts because of the broken Algorithm. And you wouldn't watch any of the streams as you just lurk in the chat. So its not a bot only thing. :)
@murderbits if by "completely change the fundamental way that IRC works" you mean "implement an equivalent to IRC's /kickban (set usermode +b and kick) in Twitch's IRC derivative", then yes.
No, we want a way to remove people from our channels. Not just banning them, because that still lets them stay there. We want to be able to completely stop them from being in our channels. No lurking, no idling. Banning people still lets them hang around and watch the stream. We want to go further and get people we don't want in our channel to not be able to do that.
The fact that a lot of us will probably also be using this kick feature (if implemented) on bots, is just a bonus. But it doesn't have to be exclusively used on Bots.
So, you want them to completely change the fundamental way that IRC works.
also, this isn't just for bots, it's also for unwanted users, I've known people that banned harassers in their channel, but that doesn't stop them from reading the chat and harassing other viewers in the channel (whispering them), LITERALLY, he had quit streaming, because not only did this person threaten his wife and child, but also maligning against the streamer to these other chatters. etc etc, even though they had reported them to the police and twitch for several months to nearly a year, they didn't do ANYTHING about it!. so yes, we need a KICK option to get rid of these malicious people!
Twitch Terms of Service states:
Twitch reserves all rights not expressly granted in these Terms of Service. This license is subject to these Terms of Service and does not permit you to engage in any of the following: ... (d) use of any data mining, robots or similar data gathering or extraction methods
for those that want to prevent these bots from possibly bypassing the sub only chats, banning them should prevent them from being gift subbed.
Here's a current still existing KNOWN bot lists.
I will say some do have a command to remove them when it reads it, they get blacklisted so they don't return. but many don't offer this option and it's just annoying.
p0sitivitybot is the one I found that has a working command
P0sitivityBot please leave my channel
just copy and paste that (before or after you ban them if you want to still prevent them from accidentally getting gift subbed)
also, ToS does state that if you have bots in your channel, they must be authorized by you so that the numbers are properly reflected, etc etc. we're saying that we are not authorizing these bots in our channel, and they aren't giving us an option to remove them, which we should have had this simple function from the beginning. A Kick option would be nice to also add an auto-report option and to state a flag on it to be investigated for being a real person.
I'm tired of not knowing if my viewers are real lurkers enjoying their content and not just bots that aren't even helping my views or me improve my channel in any way. Hell, even Rootcommander states he doesn't watch any of the streams it sticks around in, it's not allowed to log people's chats, so what's the fucking purpose of it being there?! And it's partnered, Twitch just blatantly shows us to our faces it doesn't care what we the hard working streamer's care. Some of us have stalkers we want no part of entering back into our lives, some of us get easily targeted for harassment, some of these bots give an option for other's to get targeted by other malicious people in general.... especially the host giveaways, what's to stop an attacker from send out their spam bots through a hosted channel, and staying behind on the other channel to watch the chaos?! it's obnoxious!
Some of us want better things to do with our time than spending hours per day going from one channel we mod for to another to ban all these bots! Why doesn't Twitch care what we're saying is killing the fun out of streaming!?