stop allowing groups like the adl and destiny from compromising the platform
destiny, who was banned from twitch loves to brigade and spread hate in general. this person along with others like ethan klein caused several middle eastern streamers to get banned for 30 days. now the adl is applying pressure against anti-zionist and pro palestinian sentiment. the adl is in support of an ongoing genocide and shouldn't be trusted. allowing these people and orgs to apply this pressure will compromise the platform.
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suspencercollins
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I will drop twitch and instruct everyone I know to do so as well if this is the new precedent. Conceding to trolls who are banned from the site attempting to smear creators on your site. Conceding to an organization that is pro the genocide of a whole race of people. Disgusting. Is that what you guys and the advertisers promote? Pathetic.
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Upgrayedd77
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The ADL supported South African Apartheid. They are not a credible organization. They are a hate group.
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RetroPlatini
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Yeah twitch, you guys should totally listen to the community that’s responsible for companies to pull ads away from your platform
Despite allowing them to still continue using the word “Zionist” just not in a way to attack people based on their race/background - that’s not enough for them
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kausie
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Extremely disappointed with your recent policy changes. Equating Zionism to Judaism in itself is antiemetic. Zionism is an ideology and Judaism is a religion, conflating the two does MORE harm to the safety of Jewish people. You can combat antisemitism without censoring the valid criticism of a violent occupying force. A genocide is occurring and your platform is actively silencing voices advocating for the end of the endless killing. YOU are complicit and I will stop using Twitch and any other affiliated companies because of this decision.
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RegulatedMedium
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People either need to be allowed to voice both pro and anti Zionist rhetoric, or neither at all. The constant attempt to inextricably link Zionism with Judaism is a non practical link that undermines the very reason we use words: to convey a concept or an idea. When people employ a prescriptivist linguistic definition of Zionism to mean Judaism, they are attempting to intentionally misconstrue the definition of the word being utilized. There is a reason why descriptive linguistics is considered the standard and not prescriptive linguistics, because the words ultimately mean that which the propagator of the words intend they mean, and not the distorted definition their opposition rhetorically tries to convince us they mean.
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DCB2679
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Genuinely pathetic to watch twitch bend to the whims of a blatant hate campaign lead by a streamer they already banned for calling for murder live on air. Unreal stupidity.
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TimmayKC
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Dancantstream has been live on twitch looping the same video of him instructing people how to visit a website he made that facilitates the brigading of all Twitch advertisers and congresspeople. The website is targeting Arab creators on the platform. This live stream has been up for almost 55 hours now. He's the guy responsible for leading the massive pressure campaign that is mass emailing the ADL, congress, and Twitch advertisers literally on behalf of a banned streamer, Destiny. The fact that Twitch hasn't taken this stream down paired with their capitulation to the ADL's demands is very harmful for the entire community, but ESPECIALLY marginalized groups.
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LilithNaNBweh
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Antizionism is literally not the same as antisemitism. Antisemitism's way, way worse. but zionism is just as bad
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OcelotNG
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I would suggest looking into another person, Dan Saltman (dancantstream), as he is involved in the smear campaign, going as far as creating a "game" comparing multiple Arab and muslim streamers to terrorists, as well as stating that one of his goals is to get Dan Clancy to resign, even harassing advertisers to accomplish this, also implying that he is a nazi.
If it keeps going like this, at what point would it be appropriate to take legal action against Dan Saltman for the ongoing harassment campaign, both towards the CEO, Dan Clancy as a person and multiple users of your platform? It is very unlikely that it will just go away if it is ignored, and might be detrimental to Twitch as a platform if allowed to continue.
If you choose to cave to this, you also risk alienating the Arab and muslim userbase, as well as voices covering Israels actions.
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GatoTheCatto
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This is insanity and just plain wrong. Conflating Zionism and Zionists with Judaism and Jewish people as a whole is just antisemitic in and of itself. Zionism is a political movement. There are more Christian Zionists here in America than there are Jewish Zionists worldwide.
There are plenty of deeply religious anti-Zionist Jewish folks...would Twitch assume those people are antisemitic for talking about how insane, how bloodthirsty some Zionists are? This kind of capitulating to Zionists and conflation of Zionism with Judaism is something that will, very unfortunately, lead to real, actual antisemitism. Very sad for all my Jewish anti-Zionist friends right now.
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bardandbutter
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Zionism is a political ideology. Speaking out against political ideology is not oppression, racism, or antisemitism. If you would not condemn criticism of Hamas, you should not condemn criticism of Zionism.
Zionists are not, and should never be, a protected class. Zionists are not a marginalized group. Zionism is not Judaism and Judaism is not Zionism. To suggest otherwise is inherently antisemitic.
Palestinians, however, have been systematically displaced for decades and murdered in the tens of thousands within the last 13 months alone. Zionism is the political ideology that facilitated this ethnic cleansing and genocide.
To protect Zionists from criticism is to protect an ideology of genocide. It is disgusting to ask streamers and creators to collude with this ideology by allowing its supporters to move through OUR spaces unchecked.
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Grymoria
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Calling someone a Zionist is not hateful being a Zionist is. We're not being hateful for calling them out on their hare.
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Ashezth
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Next up, calling a racist a racist is illegal. Calling a transphobe a transphobe is illegal.
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Aura_Sinclair
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Zionist and Jewish are not synonyms.
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zarabbas
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Is it racist to call someone a zionist if they call themselves a zionist? Does twitch allow streamers to call muslims/arabs terrorists still? This is a stupid rule and it is worded even stupider. Bad faith losers will abuse this and it will blow up in your face.
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bowatson
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You can be sure that this policy will not be applied to people using "liberal" as an insult, and that's enough to realize how incredibly biaised this whole thing is.
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Makorie
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Being against Zionism is not antisemitism. Being pro-Palestine is not antisemitic.
To anyone on Twitch staff that allowed this decision to happen, you're all cowards.
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ashiirosee
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Zionism is not Judaism and conflating the two is antisemitic. Zionism is a POLITICAL belief, and calling out zionism and in turn being anti-genocide and wanting a free Palestine should not be a ban worthy offense. I need to know why Twitch thought this was necessary after they literally just asked streamers to add a tag for discussion of politics.
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ollleyt
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the ADL does not care about anti semitism, they care about u.s. public opinion of the actions of israel. they supported apartheid south africa and spied on its critics. they are an anti free speech group. they will not call out the trump cabinet either, which has OPEN anti-semites in it, because the trump administration supports israel unconditionally.
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EternalRavenDreamer
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The ADL is prioritizing its funding from a colonist settlement parading as a nation over their mission to actually protect Jewish people from discrimination. By conflating Zionism and Judaism - which is exactly what happens when they call all anti-Zionists antisemitic - they spit in the face of all Jews who are Palestinian, anti-Zionist, and/or have been harmed by Isreal directly and/or indirectly (such as Holocaust survivors that Isrealis call "weak" and Orthodox Jews who they regularly harass for worshipping a different form of Judaism).