It's sexist. Censorship and policing of v tubers and the like is policing fiction rather than real people and it's just the same misogyny. It's gynophobia. over polygons. Remember, not too long ago twitch had problems of abuse and misconduct with people that worked for them.

That's the harm. that's the sexism. not v tubers. It's the treatment of the people making content on this site.

That is what is harmful here.
And this is not just about women. Notice I said people. I think we'd all be doing a lot better in this industry if we recognized that a company that shamelessly mistreats any single group of people is probably mistreating all their employees in some way, shape, or form.

THAT is the harm. not chevage on polygons or "revealing clothing".

Now, does this make sense? That this is all performative? This is all a smokescreen? We see you, Twitch. The fact that these employees are brave enough to actually go and file these complaints while twitch is on the run like this, mad props to them. We all know this is going on. We all know this is happening. That is where sexism is happening. The v-tubers on the screen, the cleavage on the woman, that's not hurting anybody. There are paintings and pictures in the real world that have some cleavage showing. You know, classic art. It's not hurting anybody.

Twitch thinks it can pacify viewers and investors and advertisers toning down things and faceless women. They think they're doing something progressive. it's not.

This is the kind of stuff that actually doesn't make things more female-friendly. It actually insults women's intelligence
Twitch is confusing polygons on a screen as MISTREATMENT OF LIVING BREATHING PEOPLE.

it's "don't wear that" or "cover up" moralizing in a way that resembles Chinese Oppression and the sentiments of Patriarchy.

Twitch's censorship of women and their bodies and the like when they themselves had abusers on staff is not a good look. We can have gore and shooting games but some how we shun women's bodies in a very anti-feminist way? Let's get in to how disrespectful it is.

Correct me if i'm wrong but i hear that "revealing clothing for V tubers is now going to be disallowed. Now if it's just to require a tag, and are equivalent to restrictions on real live people then this help suggestion is null. However. there is a very censorship happy push and a very corporate c-suite bigotry that is and has been harming women for over a decade now. It's no different than the measuring of skirts we had for "decency" when the Christians did it. or "she was asking for it".

Instead of recognizing that the goal, the idea, the ideal we're supposed to be moving towards is that women—everybody—but in this case, women should be respected regardless of what they're wearing. Even if somebody does something awful, you still respect them as a human being.

in the push to "stop objectification" you say You do not objectify anybody, which is what you do when you decide, "Oh, why don't we impose vtuber models to cover up?" It's bull.

And this is why gamers push back against this stuff. It's not because they're all "Unga Bunga, me want *****." That's not what it is. It's that they recognize this stuff is all smoke and mirrors. They recognize that, in a sense, this is objectifying women more. This is treating women as if there's something inherently wrong with being a woman. "Oh, you can make her less sexual, but women are fine." No, you still can't leave a virtual group of polygons alone.

This is the frustrating part of this stuff, that the players are getting treated like **** because the players are savvy enough to see through this ******** and are willing to talk about it. Willing to be crapped on for it.

now it's just corporate capitalist fear. What does this say to women in effect?

“Benevolent sexism is, in the short term, seemingly positive attitudes that put women up on pedestals. These attitudes suggest that women are warmer, more moral, more ethical, more refined, and more cultured, but also fragile and in need of protection from men, often by men. This type of sexism is seen as good and socially acceptable, including in many feminist spaces. This is what separates me from a lot of feminists, including gender-critical feminists like JK Rowling. There is this belief that men are just different from women and that men are dangerous, so women need to be protected from men. This often means being protected out of public spaces, including business and civics.

Benevolent sexism is a big reason we don’t have gender parity in politics. Studies have shown that benevolent sexism actually boosts male entrepreneurs’ chances with startup funding. It doesn’t necessarily hurt women, but it does give men an advantage. I don’t know what the difference is there; the data is very clear that there’s no detrimental impact on women, but men get a boost. I don’t know how, comparatively, it’s any different, but anyway, that’s not the point here. We don’t need to know that; we just need to know it’s not good. Putting women up on pedestals is not good, and whether the language is, “women are better than men” or “men are inferior to women,” it isn’t good. It is not good for men; it is not good for women; it is not good for anybody because it’s sexist.” - Liana kerzner.

Benevolent sexism also polices depictions of women in media in a way that claims to stop “objectification” or “sexualization,” but those who do this are hypocrites on their best days and self-appointed protectors of people who didn’t ask for protection. They enforce a narrative that any depiction of female sexuality is inherently negative, thereby stripping away the agency and empowerment of women who choose to express their sexuality. This approach is not about respecting women but about controlling them and perpetuating the idea that women need to be protected from themselves and others. This form of censorship doesn’t challenge sexism; it reinforces the notion that women are delicate and must be shielded, which is a patronizing and ultimately sexist stance.