Return auto host to "live" view
Rollback the changes to auto-hosts that make them not appear in the "live" view of the channel page. It effectively removes all usefulness from auto-hosts by forcing users to seek out the creator being auto-hosted rather than seeing it by default.
We and many other creators have already seen how this negatively impacts our viewership and discoverability.
Auto-hosts have the potential to function as a community building tool that leads to a more supportive and less competitive environment. The recent change to auto-hosts completely destroys that potential.
Thanks for kicking off this conversation! Hoping we can provide a bit more context for why we decided to make this change. While manual hosts will still appear in the live view and channel carousel, we made the decision to have auto-hosts appear only in the channel carousel going forward.
As part of our ongoing research and development for the offline channel page, we conducted a number of experiments over the past year to pinpoint what was most effective in streamers using their channels to enable discovery of other streamers. This includes things like auto-hosts, manual hosts, and raids.
Auto-hosts in live view specifically were found to be confusing for new viewers, and did not result in viewers sticking around to watch the channel. We made this change to reflect viewer habits, and ultimately to prioritize manual hosts that see significantly improved discoverability.
We conducted another experiment to compare a personalized auto-host list versus the “random” order auto-host list which resulted in improved watch time on newly discovered channels, and even the ability for streamers to give more discoverability to more streamers. Because of this, we replaced the “random” setting with the new personalized setting. Now, when you select the personalized option, you can have a larger auto-host list without putting newer additions to the list at a disadvantage based on the default order.
Twitch just say its because of ad revenue & advertiser ROI's, plus, less "streaming" means you don't have to pay for those bandwidth and transcoder resources.
If you were to actually poll affiliates/partners & then viewers separately, you will see that having AUTOhost be AUTO is the preferred habit for both streamers and viewers of channels that use it.
Really what should happen is any channel that is "Auto Hosting" should act like the channel that is being hosted. For example, if I'm on my channel and its hosting a friends channel then the video, extensions, title, tags, etc and chat should be that of the AutoHosted channel and that view should count as an average viewer similar to Embedded views that are on say charity site pages.
Yes, both solutions will have negative impacts in a few areas, but it would increase discoverability & would most definitely keep viewers watching more hours.
Twitch being clueless again. Hurting small streamers and trying to pass it off as help.
Hi! Please revert it, it was very useful for us, small channels!!!
What if, instead, you made hosted views count to the hosted channel? or even go a step further, and have so host chat can interact with hosted channel by pressing a button that doesnt necessarily sends them to the hosted channel? Me and all my small creator friends have started to suffer huge view losses because of auto-host being killed.
Previously I could see all the hosting and autohosting a channel I follow does inside the directory/following/hosts page. Nowadays I can only see the direct hosts so the number of channels promoted by that page has dwindled tenfold (20-50 -> 1-5). The page was very useful in finding new channels as the channels were "soft recommended" by the channels I follow. Please consider adding autohosts to the hosts page again or creating another tab for autohosts only.
I think it being confusing to new people is completely BS, there's so many things that are confusing to new people on the platform AND the part that's confusing about the autohost is the same part that's confusing about the regular host, which is that someone checking out if you're live and it's not you BUT GUESS WHAT??? It says "hosting X" That's a garbage reason that makes no sense whatsoever, Twitch talk to us, what's the real reason, either that or don't PREVENT US FROM SAYING WE DON'T LIKE IT AND WANT IT BACK THE OTHER WAY
this is ridiculous. i have to manually host all my friends now. if you're moving where the auto-host is visible on my page, fine, but ACTUALLY make """AUTO""" host AUTOHOST again
You did research and testing and again did not communicate with any of us or show full transparency. Again, you neglect to openly communicate with any of the content creators about things like this that affect our communities. Don't say thank you for kicking off the conversation while you're refusing to have a conversation in the first place. You, Twitch tell us to hold you accountable and we have been doing that, but you always show the only thing you care about is your bottom line and that is truly disappointing.
Your experiments were wrong, revert it
Basically auto hosts won't have any effect on viewer count anymore. I had a group of underrated streamers on mine that could have really felt the impact of the few hard lurkers that always have my channel page open. Just making it even harder to support small streamers 👍
Twitch, I'm going to go on a limb and say literally -no one- asked for this. A negligible % at best.
Please go back to auto-hosts being on the live page of the channel. It was a wonderful way to support other streamers and friends at any time of day or night. Now I am unable to host many people because I'm not on during their streams (basically anyone in other time zones).
Very few people (if any) like and use the carousel.
These are the kind of questions that should be on streamer surveys.
Please and thank you.
What a load of rubbish, its amazing how you do so much "research" yet no one ever gets asked anything, that was a feature many of us were using with purpose to suddenly have vanish, new users will always find everything confusing until they learn whatever it is, if you are going to stop "confusing" features we wouldnt have anything !
Not Sure Why it Was Removed But it Would Be Pretty Sweet if Auto-Host Actually Hosted The People in The Auto-Host List.
I'm getting less and less happy with Twitch day by day. Once a good alternative pops up I'll be jumping ship. (Something with clips for everyone or opt-in)
I am seriously disappointed that a Twitch employee made the decision to decline this request without even allowing for community feedback. Auto-hosting is completely useless with these changes and as another user pointed out - I would like to know who asked for this? Who did you poll? What were the issues?
Also, after making such a serious change on the platform in such an under-handed way, does Twitch not want to know what we think? Especially since we were not consulted beforehand?
As a user that has found some streams through auto-hosts and hosts, WHY?
This hurts everyone that isn't a big name, not shocking though.
I find it hard to understand how the response you gave us thanked us for kicking off this conversation. It seems like Twitch is trying to stifle suppress any conversation there is to be had about this issue.
Contrary to what some people at Twitch might think, many of us have the intellectual capacity to look at a data set and determine if the results being claimed check out.
Additionally there is no world in which we would trust a ‘personalized’ setting from Twitch to function in a way that was designed thoughtfully to avoid impacting BIPOc and LGBTQIA+ creators who already deal with decreased discoverability on almost all online platforms, including Twitch.
There needs to be clear and transparent communication around plans like this otherwise there is no way Twitch will ever gain the trust of its users.
Could you stop breaking the only things that work on your netwotk, while also ignoring every single request by your user base? It's starting to feel like you are specifically targeting marginalized groups on your platform. Which would be a hate crime btw. Just saying.
As someone who actively used auto-hosts to find someone to watch and/or raid, this change is incredibly inconvenient and unwanted. Yet another example of Twitch hurting the small streamers by adding/changing something that wasn't asked for, rather than what is actively being asked for...
If the issue is people being confused as to the difference between a manual host and an auto-host, why not add a way to clearly identify what type it is? Even an asterisk would probably do... or collate all the auto-hosts into a subsection of Hosts, and call it "Auto-hosts" (or to really hammer home that it's different, completely omit the word host: "Channels you follow recommend these channels")
So rather than figuring out better way to show that a channel is being hosted vs the streamer being live...you just removed the feature. Additionally, what research was done? What was the sample size? What was the average account age of the the people asked? Hosts are 0% confusing to anyone who's been on the site more than a month.
This is incredibly disappointing, but par for the course for y'all