Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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chemi_chemi commented
I think all twitch streamers are really lucky and I'm protecting and jealous but I want to make that kind of money at home, someone want to help? Please??
I would take even 10% of what these guys make
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renlikelauren commented
Twitch affiliates and partners deserve more support from Twitch. Y'all (Twitch) need to catch up with other platforms and pay us what we deserve.
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scarfee commented
I think after today’s news broke, this needs more boosting. Twitch needs to wake up and treat their creators well, before the YouTubes and Facebooks of the market start to look appealing enough for Twitch to lose creators and viewers en-masse.
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LunaMist12_ commented
Honestly, i think you guys (twitch) should give the content creators the money they deserve and for small cc let them keep the money they earned they dont need to be payed less same goes to big acc
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memento_mori1206 commented
SUPPORT SMALLER STREAMERS! And give everyone the money they've EARNED. Twitch is a massive company. You're not losing anything by listening to what the people are asking for and making some changes.
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aristreamsss commented
This is just getting rediculous now. No one hates Twitch streamers more than Twitch and they've made it more than apparent over the years, but this? come on man you're making more money than ever and you're taking our pay away? make it make sense...
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Hypurbee commented
Extremely disappointed in twitch if they follow through with this.
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twitch.tv/MonicaElleRose commented
I just read a bloomberg news article about twitch wanting to lower subsplits among some other changes.
This uservoice includes so many features and one of the most important parts of this uservoice is to lower payout minimums and increase payment frequency and someone made a separate uservoice for here https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/924712-creator-dashboard/suggestions/44301474-lower-payout-requirements
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ONEDJRICH commented
I recommend you all share this on Twitter! Use hashtags like #Twitch #TwitchAffiliate #TwitchPartner #TwitchSupport and also @Twitch @TwitchSupport get this trending!
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MrW01FY commented
I've been an albeit small, but full time, streamer on Twitch for almost 3 years now. There are other ways to try and supplement the income of self employment but twitch subs are often a huge portion of this. A 70-30 split would be enormous for me each month, especially after the domestic sub pricing changes and general tax. As an example, I received a sub on twitch today and was paid $1.52, which is £1.16 in my local currency. A twitch prime pays $2.04, which is £1.56. It's painful.
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cathstrine commented
2 years later, this is by far the most upvoted thing ever here, and yet nothing. Absolutely nothing! Well Amazon, message received loud and clear; streamers need to leave "en masse" for the lazy management to even lift a finger. If it doesn't hurt their wallet, they just don't care.
They are certainly not working hard, but obviously hardly working!
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jonescommaicecream commented
2 years on and no reasonable response of any kind
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Badiiin commented
People please note the "secondary voting" aka "Critcal button" is not on the site by Twitch choice, is a uservoice platform thing, and Twitch will ignore this button.
Full story here: https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1513993742943981569
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FuuLuluu commented
Please state this is "Critical" As someone who has to work from home, Twitch has been a great place for me to share my art and build a community. However, I recently got hit with barely scraping by and this 50/50 payout is just not realistically cutting it. Nor would it be cutting it for literally any small streamer. As stated, other sites are giving cuts of much higher value, Twitch/Amazon has absolutely no excuse not to pay their creators. If they don't want people to move to a better paying platform they need to smarten up. There are over 20k people that want this change, Twitch. It's not like you won't make your money.
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Mydogsarewhyilive commented
It’s absolutely ridiculous twitch has ignored this for this long, do better twitch, people depend on you for a living
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OfficialDutchy commented
Make our dreams come through. Make people that entertain 50-100 people a day but arent partnered do this for a living they deserve it.
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jacquipitch commented
Everyone deserves a decent wage, content creators work ******* there streams and what they put out there, I think they deserve the money/benefits.
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Drevila commented
as a streamer yes i may use your platform but i am the one doing all the work i should get the batter part of the payout
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cathstrine commented
Over 20k votes.
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LordHappyCats commented
Flag this user voice as critical! It's time for the 70/30 split!