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i see some people with "redeem x amount of channel points to become moderator" things with their channel points system.
And if twitch is reading this, yes please limit the moderator numbers as another person or two has mentioned already. i think it would be a great idea to put a limit on something that currently unlimited and exploitable. Too many mods going around playing mini-sheriff thinking they're something. as insulting as it sounds its really at the end of the day just voluntary janitor work. There SHOULD be a limit on how many users a stream can give a mod-role position to. And if they want more mods, then they can pay and extra fee for exclusive additions to the number of mods they wish to have. TWITCH PLEASE make unlimited mods COST MONEY! this can help combat the problem of people exploiting the mod thing to get around not watching adverts. it is a nice idea specially for you twitch and for all the twitch community to enjoy!you know it makes sense
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AGREED! at times ads can be really disruptive and get right in the way at the worst time possible. Either no adds for mods, or give mods the option of when to view them, so that it doesnt get in their way. Missing verbal ques from the streamer i see has already been mentioned, but another thing i'd like to bring to the table, is clipping! its much harder to clip when an ad pops up, you become forced to wait till the advert ends, and by then most of the clippable thing has gone and its too late and you're forced to go back into VODS if u want to clip it, and thats only if the streamer has vods enabled. Or a streamer could want something clipped and not be able to do it themselves due to being handsful or whatever and ask mods in chat to clip, but the request gone unheard due to the advert. Why even give adverts audio? how about a compromise of muting the advert instead so we can still hear the streamer? instead of just taking over the streamer and over writing everything with the nuisense adverts. it's a pitty refreshing does'nt skip the ad, like it does on youtube lol. Adblock for twitch would be nice, and the way things are going, we're being forced to consider making such a thing
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We would definitely like to give Mods a way to communicate with each other more easily, and are starting to explore implementation options.
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@m_o_o_ i understand that, and quite often "knowing them irl" can be used an excuse to let them get away with stuff and overlook things or to give them an unfair advantage in some way. Bias. And yeah for sure sensitive information should never be made public, thats the purpose of how handy a modchat feature can be.
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so basically, is it fair to say we're all on the same page about having a "toggle modchat visability on/off" feature for the streamer to see, and an ability to pin important modchat messages for a streamer to see?
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@ValoraPlays Regarding the tools not rules mentality, and offering people a tool letting them decide how to use them. I Don't think its wise to give a baby or young child a dangerous tool. Responsible people who will less likely misuse the tool or already know how to use it, i'm all in favor of. it's easy for us to lose sight of the intended purpose or context of such a tool, but then again i realize its also easy for me to lose sight of the bigger picture by focusing more on how it can be misused.
all-in-one solutions are a lovely thing, keeps things easier and tidier. But why should mods be given an opportunity to bully people further by misusing something meant for something else? i understand what may be discouraged in one stream may be acceptable in another, but that does'nt mean others should have to suffer as a result of it. Maybe the moderators logs should be kept on their profile and only visible to twitch, so that if one is reported for harassing people, twitch can read the modchat logs for further evidence?
even this idea is kind of flawed, i'm not quite sure what to suggest, Perhaps maybe some labels on modchat messages? so that way the kind of message has a little color ribbon signifying to the streamer at a quick glance how serious/important/urgent the message is. Maybe even a toggle so private chat chat can be turned on/off for the streamers convenience of what they wish to see, and more important mod messages does'nt get flooded away because of other mods chatting.
Think of this mod chat
Mod A: *talking about weather or something nonsensical and private* [labeled pink or blue for casual message]
Mod B: *important stream related issue that requires attention* [labled red].
Mod A: *keeps chatting convo things without noticing*
Mod A: *still chatting about non-stream related things*
Mod B: *message is displayed as most recent thing in chat because its labeled red/important, and all further recent messages that are not as important are displayed as second recent message and up*
Mod A: *still talking*
Mod B: *message stays as first most recent thing until streamer acknowledges it or mod b Clicks a button that lets it no longer be pinned*i'm all for this labeling of modchat, so important stuff wont get burried and whatever needs to be seen is pinned based on priority and red tag. Chit chat mod chat messages can be a different casual label. Misuse of red label should be something by twitch or looked into and dealt with.
This way theres no excuse for misusing a red label mod chat message.
modchat can be exploited and misused, but this red label idea keeps the intended purpose of modchat still visable without people misuing modchat getting in the way of its intended purpose..... unless that is of course if red label doesnt get misused.Although with that being said, i would like to see some red label rick rolls XD
the whole "tools not rules" things me of a scene from a ray winston movie where he asks another fellow man "where's your tool?", an entirely misuse of tools, or a correct use depending on ones point of view. Tools can be used for other things, but for good or for bad depends on how they're used.
Overall modchat being misused feels kinda childish, like kids whispering in a schoolyard and laughing or something, or some or secret chit chat going on.
perhaps mod's should need to apply and be approved to use it, to show they can use this tool responsibly, or have the streamer nominate only 1 or 2 currently active mods to have the ability to use it. idk im all outta ideas at the moment.
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@dqrkcarnage indeed, Jokes are one thing, however with the mod chat thing, secretly making fun of others means the persons being made fun of don't get to be in on the joke. i have nothing against jokes and absolutely love comedy in most of its forms, i was more touching along the lines of bullying and harassment rather than simple witty banters and jokes among all involved having some friendly laughs. i have a horrible strong feeling that modchat will be misused for malicious things, or over used for petty stuff rather than its actual intended purpose. The whole point of it is for mods to say something in chat thats for the streamers/mods eyes only, and important stuff that need urgent attention. Not encourage mods ghost chatting throughout an entire stream having invisible conversations with one another. That is what whispers is for, or regular chat. Saying hello does'nt need to be invisible. It's just extra **** that regular non-mod viewers should not have to deal with, and gives mods even more of an advantage over them.
Maybe there should be a points redeem for regular viewers to be able to send a message in mod/chat? or something so that only the streamer see's what they said. Level out the playing field and give some power back to regular viewers so rogue mods can have something to be jealous/curious about lol, or even so a watcher can let a streamer know whats going on/which mod is abusing etc etc without that mod being able to see. i know whispers if turned on does this too, but i'm trying to think of a way to make it more fair, or more of a level playing field. Mods have huge advantage over viewers already as it is, and also there's a modified quote of mine from spiderman i like to mention in situations like this as i see it's quite fitting for this topic at hand, and sort of illustrates my point further "with great power comes great responsibility, so abuse it recklessly!"
With that in mind, the ways mod chat can be miused becomes limitless and problematic in nature. Any creative mind can turn a tool into a weapon, that does'nt mean its the tools fault, but if the tool didnt exist or was create specifically in a way to prevent misuse, it would be alot more something i dunno the word.Anyway i partially support the creation of this modchat tool, i would fully 100% support it if they did more testing around it first and made it with potential misuse in mind, and some things inherently built in to prevent over-use or blatant misuse. it's a lovely tool to have, it just also happens to be something that can easily be misused and cause hassle.
Surely a moderator wouldn't need to send more than 3 important invisible messages within 5 minutes?regarding my concerns, they would'nt be an issue if modchat does'nt get made.
The more i look into this modchat idea thing, the more bad things and flaws i come across in theory. i was hoping for modchat to become a real feature at first, now i'm not so sure. it really needs testing more than anything, and some more helpful ideas that does'nt limit/restrict, but at the same time does'nt open floodgates to a new form of abuse being doable on the platform.An error occurred while saving the comment taburz_blism
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@dqrkcarnage i'm aware of that but i think you're missing the point. it can already be intimidating enough already as it is for some viewers when being in a stream's chat and having themself surrounded by mods even if they're doing nothing wrong. Adding this feature (especially in an unlimited non-cooldown based way) will only add to that anxiety.
Moderating this mod chat feature might have been a silly suggestion i put my hands up and take responsibility for mentioning, but something needs to be thought of to stop mods from using it when they don't need, or more to the point, for mods not using it for it's intended purpose.
Got any idea's you might like to propose?
The point of the implementation of a cooldown is so that its used sparingly, or only when needed (helps avoid misuse).
Imagine a streamer talking to what looks like an empty room, and the little few chatters not having their messages read because mods are being greedy and having a private convo in chat with the streamer? Seems like they're being excluded or ignored. i like the overall idea with the tool, but not how it can shoot some streamers in the foot.
i suggest each mod having up to 2 mod chat messages to use every 10 mins, and an emergency bonus extra 1 every hour of stream time. aka LIMIT the number of mod chat messages, so that they're less likely to be wasted on non mod-based things.
Also regarding the latter part of your response, why should mods make fun of other users? if they feel the need to make fun of others then maybe they should'nt even be mod lol. Just because people can talk trash about others in secret, does'nt mean they should. People misusing mod chat for the purpose of gossip or drama or whatever is not something i can imagine twitch considering being a deciding factor if ever implementing a mod chat feature.
Keep stuff simple. Mods flooding modchat as their invisible chatbox is'nt simple and draws attention away from other chatters. The purpose of mod chat is for emergency stuff that requires the streamers direct attention, or for things that CANNOT be seen typed in the chat by regular viewers.
a good thing about this thread is seeing the ways how a modchat feature could be misused, before even being made into a feature.
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This would be a very useful feature, i say this out of years of experience formally being a moderator for many streams in the past as well as only recently i was told from a few people who i know do moderating was all watching a specific stream, and the streamer had unintentionally done or said something that sounded ToS without knowing, and the mods could not say it in chat without others seeing and jumping on it and using it to report the stream maliciously in hopes of getting the streamer banned. Its something only the mods noticed and could not really say out loud in chat at the time. They all whispered the streamer, but he/she was streaming in such a way where their hands was pre-occupied (because something unexpected suddenly happened in their environment) and was impossible to check whispers but could still see chat.
in this exact scenerio, where a streamer is unable to check whispers but needs attention drawn to something, this feature you have suggested would be perfect!
although with that being said, i could also see how some moderators could abuse this feature and use it to gang-up on/bully other users. Maybe there should be a limit on how many of these "invisible mod notes" can be posted in chat? i'd say 1 every 5 minutes, or maybe 2 every 10 or 20 mins?
i have a small feeling that it could be abused just to pass trivial things and making fun of other users secretly. Perhaps something should be done to prevent abuse of this feature if it ever became a thing.
Have someone moderate mod notes? mod note chat log gets automaticly sent to twitch at the end of the stream to check for abuse? idk.
you have a really good idea here, but i feel it needs a bit more working on, on how to avoid it being misused.
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Just wanted to update this thread that we are doing an experiment right now with Stream Display Ads!
These are less disruptive ads that allow viewers to see and hear Creators while being displayed. Creators will receive ad revenue for each SDA shown.
You can find out more information here: https://twitter.com/TwitchSupport/status/1422255927483318277
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Just wanted to update this thread that we are doing an experiment right now with Stream Display Ads! These are less disruptive ads that allow viewers to see and hear Creators while being displayed. Creators will receive ad revenue for each SDA shown. You can find out more information here: https://twitter.com/TwitchSupport/status/1603148201489580032
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A majority of ads on web and TV apps should now have normalized sound. We are still continuing the work on this and will update the status again when it is fully complete!
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i know EXACTLY how you feel!
it's happened to me before on a very specific music stream that has made me lose alot of faith in the music community here on twitch and turned me off of watching these sort of streams as a result.
And whats even worse is that sometimes the streamers allow this sort of rogue-like mod behavior to continue with a bias, or never really admits to wrong doing or does nothing much other than a slap on the wrist or less to their mod, because they want to save face and look professional, or because they happen to know them irl, or know them on other sites off of twitch. Really gives mod's an unfair advantage and ruins the overall atmosphere of a stream. it's a MAJOR turn-off.Some streamers may even side with the mod and insist the other chatter "drop it and move on" and refuse to resolve anything, even privately.
I Know It's horrible to clog anyones chat up with drama, no one wants to see that, and sometimes thats what attempts to resolve something looks like, but its even more horrible when inviting said mod to discuss it privately with you to clear up whatever issues and they threaten to block/ban you if you even try to make any attempt at resolving. So basically its like the viewers voice in this case does not matter and never gets heard.Twitch should take mod tools away from (or give warnings) to mods who abuse tools to bully others with. Some examples would be timing someone out based on them not liking a particular song or music genre (example x thing is not my cup of tea), or for disagreeing with an opinion, or for asking a stream related question about a song request that was put in hours ago, or for not confirming to some trivial societal thing, like not celebrating a public holiday.
Some streamers may even go afk for long periods of time and mods can do stuff behind their back to other viewers. Or may do stuff right infront of their face blatantly, and choose not to address it as it draws attention to it.
i'm entirely against mod powers being used to abuse others with or allowing the rest of chat gang-up on people. it becomes an enviroment where people are walking on eggshells, enforcing a fake forced positivity, and everything being very control based. imagine not being allowed to disagree with anything or express an opinion/belief that doesnt fit those the mod has. Creates a very hostile environment and ruins the overall experience one has of a stream. a mods presence should add to people's atmosphere and the stream, not take away from it.
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@skull_runner honestly i don't think they really care and i believe this platform forum thingy only exists as a placebo to satisfy people and to get them off of their backs by giving them a place to post about something. And then never bothering to read through the votes or fix the complaints/suggestions, unless its on the first page and is somewhere in the top 5 most voted. It's rare that these even get looked at by staff, thats the sad reality of it. it seems more like a "share ur thread with ur friends on ur social medias so the more people that click on it = the more exposure and traffic our product, brand, and website gets = more money for us". I could be wrong but it feels like its just tricking people into doing website activity in return for more money for twitch.
unless this thread blows up overnight with votes i dont think twitch will do anything about it. And even still there is a highly populor thread about getting rid of adverts for mods or decreasing the volume on adverts to match the volume of the stream, and even that they refuse to do anything about. Regardless of the tens of thousends of votes it receieved
i keep getting spammed constantly with emails whenever anyone makes a post on anything i've voted on, with no option to opt out it seems.... kinda sus