Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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MadiDuVernay
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YES
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ApparitionOnLine
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I voted in support. o/
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wJamesmci
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Voted!
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WickedWendyVT
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Well you've got my support. The minimum required for payout is brutal.
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TheWardenXD
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For how much easier it is to go viral on other platforms such as YouTube, TikTok, and instagram, it's borderline criminal that Twitch feels the need to take as much as they do for how little they offer. That and the constant controversies over bias treatment and no clear rules to follow in certain "parts" of twitch.
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LunarDreamwalker
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I say time for a bigger split, staying so far out this long I think if we do that Streamers stay floating well & Twitch gains more revenue that way on all manner of things going on in stream still & consistently i may add.
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merdat1234
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Se definitely need to lower payout minimum and give more split to streamers
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AmberGambEXE
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a 70-80% split would make it possible and worth pushing for subscriptions in my channel for me and make it viable for me to actually make subscribing worthwhile
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TheSerfsTV
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I think the smaller creators should immediately get a bigger split of the profits in their contracts making it a lot more stable for people to live off sub counts that aren't in the thousands
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currycupcake
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Definitely needs a higher split, While Twitch is a great platform its kept afloat completely by the people supporting it, It's high time people get a better deal on twitch especially if they're larger streamers hoping to make a consistent living out of it
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TheAlkaris
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I would much prefer 70-80% split over the 50% split. The amount of hours I put in to streaming, should be just as rewarding for me as it is for Twitch. We all should have a say in what our splits are, instead of being presented with a predetermined split amount. Also to make it even worth the ad revenue from playing ads on stream, increase the CPM rate to at least $5-$10 for ads, the $3.50 USD CPM rate is far too low, if compared to YouTube's Cost per 1000 impressions (CPM) = $0.0035 x 1000 = $3.50 it's somewhat similar, but should Twitch be competitive to what YouTube offers and offer more for CPM rates for Live content, you'll be doing pretty good deal for everyone, because you're not just doing pre-recorded content, it's real-time content, and it's not like VODs stick around for long on Twitch either way, because they get deleted after 45 days, and have the option of exporting them after 24 hours. If you're running 8-15 or 24+ hour streams and you run 30 second or 2 minute ad every hour, you should be rewarded more as such, especially when you got Pre-Roll Ads that can be set to run at set intervals of your choosing.
I certainly don't mind the minimum payout from Twitch being $100, because it feels like it actually means you've worked hard for it. It would be weird to me to get payouts every $10 or $20 a month.
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el_leviathan21
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Twitch would be nothing without its streamers
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Odysseus_Xeno
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Hard agree with this. I sub for emotes and to support the streamers I love, not twitch.
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ChromaHere
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Absolutely agree! Having other platforms offer higher splits for their streamers, custom tiers and pricing for their subscriptions, and higher bitrates/quality options when Twitch wants to be the top streaming service is definitely strange.
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BrightsideMovement
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The more i think about 50% split the more i cringe. L in the Chat LUL
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psumo
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it takes so much hard work and dedication to be an active streamer. they should be rewarded a bit better for their time and efforts. thanks for your time.
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darlinsugaree
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Its genuinely disturbing that twitch takes 50%. As a viewer only, I am ALL for streamers getting 70%. The platform is nothing without them, after all.
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Garydactyl
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If it weren't for the streamers Twitch wouldn't be making any money at all in the first place. Pay streamers accordingly!
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12thgear
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70% split going to streamers should be the absolute minimum these days.
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Chapperz
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70/30 revenue split for streamers is definitely a good idea and absolutely needed.