Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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WeisseningBlitz
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While I think it should be 80/20 to the streamer's advantage all around, 70/30 is a step in the right direction.
Additionally, it's not exactly a secret that Youtube is far more generous on ad payouts. Bridging that gap would also help while encouraging streamers to run ads in their own AFK breaks.
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seriouslyjaded
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Definitely would be nice to try to make some change in the community!
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RazorGlitter
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yes absolutely!!! make it 70%!!
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PAK215
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This should be Twitch's #1 priority right now. Allowing Twitch viewers to better support their favorite creators through subscriptions is the ultimate way to encourage creators to use and stay on the platform, as well as encouraging viewers to engage more with streamers through subscriptions rather than through external platforms not affiliated with Amazon.
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F1icK
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This idea would greatly improve the platform for streamers and as a result overall revenue since there is more incentive to reach a certain amount of subs if you're smaller and larger payout if you're growing and becoming a larger streamer
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Deyta
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Twitch really needs to start paying out their smallest creators. There's just about no incentive to stick with Twitch to begin with, when they take 50% solely for providing a website; or eventually people will start to jump off once there's another website showing how it can be done better.
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Ohtacaro
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Living where I am, a 50/50 split is not uncommon. I am satisfied with that.
However, having Twitch be responsible for any payout fees and also lowering the threshold to payout whatever is there, every month, no matter the amount. I think we should be able to expect that. And why in the middle of every month? Why not, whenever? Patreon has these tools. Twitch could to. -
itsnigelsean
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Imagine: I hire a manager who puts me on a website, but I have to arrange my promotion, performances and income by myself. but i have to pay the manager 50 percent. doesn't feel right, right? just like in the music industry I prefer to see 30/70
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thealcatraz772
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Doing this for Dellor
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Cielwave
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Agreed, we need content creators to see more of the revenue they generate, the services provided by Twitch do not currently justify the revenue split.
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The_Mad_Magus
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I agree.
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datlumpi
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Yes please.
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Yurisaki_LIVE
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Yes please.
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kurtiswow
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I believe this will lead to more quality content and a wider path for creators to make the jump to full time creator.
In addition, those creators who are already full time will have more room to take more chances and spend more time planning their events ... which will lead to healthier lifestyles and even more content.
Imo, everyone wins, even Twitch.
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Chris_FireFox
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while this DO make more sense twitch will NEVER go along with this i fear
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CryptidMagpie
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I'd like to get one payout before I leave for another streaming setup that isn't basically robbing me and my friends of money. I have $24 and am a small streamer, this may take some time
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SmoLCatzZ
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Twitch needs to payout affiliates and partners more often or there is not reason for a small creator to continue streaming. This would be a great change.
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ALAMENDER
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more people will be intruiged by the idea of making more money from twitch and thus will try streaming and then twitch will make more money
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Shellbunny
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Agreed. It’s basically theft at this point
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Dethklok1637
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Agreed.
Twitch lags behind in this way by a lot, and it would be much more encouraging for small streamers or even Affiliates to see those small amounts as progress. There's no reason half should be taken away.