Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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TheGracefulBard
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This. Yes.
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Chatkovski
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Lower the payout minimum is great.
But I doubt Twitch can accept a 70/30 for everyone: who pays? The price of sub will increase? Twitch will not or only slightly decrease its share. So there is a solution: Tax the Rich! A personal and very progressive rate depending on the number of sub is possible... The biggest want to leave? Let them go from Twitch! (but they will lose too, because it's on Twitch that it happens) -
astrellalovesyou
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it would be nice if I was able to use the money people give me via subs and bits more readily 😅 I’ve been affiliate since last spring and haven’t made enough money to receive a payout yet due to the payout split and minimum amount.
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Johnny_S6
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The fact is this, Twitch needs streamers and should support them accordingly. Twitch needs streamers. Streamers don't need Twitch.
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IndieAlpaca
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Many folks refuse to support streamers via subs and choose to donate via PayPal instead. I know I would support streamers more through subs if they were receiving a fair cut.
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phoenix_downer
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This would help my friends and I so much and would mean the world! Please Twitch, consider changing the revenue split and payout minimum.
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leozitto_
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support your creators porra
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edyb01
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70/30 let's goooooo!
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liammcg30
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If it means Dinklebean could do it (and stream 😘) full time then 100% yes
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Dinklebean
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Would actually mean I could do this fulltime, which in turn would mean more content, and mor epeople would like to support that knowing it would actyually be possible and not just a pipe dream due to 50/50 split. I think it would even be in Tiwthc's best interest too, as more people would buy into supporting their creators and not just more money for the corporation itself.
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Gysuphage
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Would be a game changer, and I know at least 10 people personally who would buy so many more subs if they supported the streamer more
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lilythebrain
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Support your creators
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JasperEDS
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I quit streaming but I gift A LOT so this would be wonderful! Streaming is a very difficult job and deserves to be rewarded.
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korotki_lapki_raptora
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I agree that the twitch takes more interest, but I don’t understand why it’s impossible to make the threshold not even $ 10, but for example 50
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SingleT90
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I'm not here for the money, but when I'm out here gifting hundreds of subs to STREAMERS and they don't get to fully appreciate the money, to better themselves, their lives or their streams, it's a tough pill to swallow.
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Weykin
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Twitch need to step up to match other platforms.
The advantages to streaming on twitch are limited and becoming less of a big deal. -
beepsaysthings
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Please. I’ve been sitting at $80 for weeks and it’s so irritating that I’m not able to access it. I’m a full time student, any extra income helps
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itsJamesHerz
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This >>>
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ItsAMeMarioRui
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As other platforms, 70/30 seems fair.
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TheEpicMen777
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Splitting some with twitch is stupid I think it should at least be 80/20 80% is the streamer 20% is twitch this is very fair in my book