Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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spenserhh
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Y'all should join the waitlist for LiveSpace! They're launching a new platform and giving 85% revenue to creators, with no minimums (www.live.space)
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VengePlayz
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I agree with this 100 percent.
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DaddyDopamine40
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I want to be paid in dogecoin.
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mellcyia
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It's true, it's just that dozens of publishers are getting frustrated that they want to look ahead.
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Lounicorn666
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It is the creators that make it a viable business without them they wouldn't exist
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AstralSpiff
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Save our stonks
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mochi_tiramisu
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ye
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AbdulFF
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Honestly twitch wouldn’t be an extensive platform if it wasn’t for content creators that keep us coming back!
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Ratchet478
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only to make you tink the numbers are fully calculated in dolar, the non USA streamer are getting even lower from the split
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CaptainSchmichael
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I doubt this will ever be a thing 😂
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VRJohn
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With the better revenue split for streamers, I wouldn't be in such dire need of financial assistance. I would be able to commit fully to full-time, but as-is, I have to rely on other sources of income to live. With the lower payouts, my friends who stream wouldn't have to wait 10 months to get their first payout... :(
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DozyXP
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This is incredibly beneficial for Twitch too! They would actually be making MORE money- streamers would be making enough to dedicate a lot more time to streaming. More people would be interested in starting, more viewers would sub because they know the creators are getting more (a lot of people choose to donate directly to the streamer instead of subbing for this reason). Twitch, you need to seriously add in this feature. We want nothing less than 70%, 80%. If it wasn’t so difficult to move platforms, a lot of us would have deleted our channels and given up on you guys by now. This is a change that would benefit EVERYONE including your business.
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itsrubierose
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This would mean the world to a smaller single mother streamer like myself.
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kyburg60
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If the bank processing the payments is taking a cut to do the work, shame on you Twitch. Contact a credit union and join it. You're in California, you can do it. I did.
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kyburg60
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I work in EDI and setting the bar to $10 from $100 is a keystroke. No more labor is required than that, if the IT backbone is doing its job as designed.
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Saybin
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Just do it already.
We make Twitch how much money?
Imagine if partners and affiliates unionized..
Given how scared Amazon is of unions :V
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thecorbinking
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I believe they just need to change the 100$ minimum payout
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thedelbanator
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Twitch is making plenty of enough money to change the revenue split. The aruguement that "twitch isn't very profitable" is a very poor argument. If that was true Amazon wouldn't own it. I'm gonna compare twitch to a 9 to 5 job. If you own a business and work your employees 8 hours a day and pay them half of what they should really be earning, what usually happens? You can't keep your employees. People will get burnt out on not making enough money in a poor working environment and leave to go find better. Who sells a company's brand and does the tedious work that brings new customers? The employees. If you don't treat your employees right, which is basically what streamers are to twitch without the official title; you loose them. The more employees you loose the harder it gets to sell your brand regardless of how good your marketing is. Because you have fewer people thus creating less opportunities for your brand to be shared and sold on a positive basis to the public. I've seriously considered just donating my money through PayPal to my favorite streamers because I know that they won't be getting their fair share of what they have worked very hard to earn. Twitch really needs to stop being so greedy and start paying the people that keep their sorry excuse of a platform running better cuts of what they have earned.
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ninou2
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please
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KatchuKun
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change it for streamer!