Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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RockytheGoodBoy
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To be fair, Twitch doesn't even pay %50 of the earnings nowadays. Since they brought this horrific local pricing system to Turkey, I've been getting paid for like 35-40 percent of the sub income. Hence, they brought the local pricing and lowered the sub prices but they DID NOT lower the 100 USD threshold. That is absurd and I totally support this post.
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Sky_the_Kai
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I believe it's time more money went to the entertainment that made the platform as big as it is. Not only will this let Twitch keep their talent, it will give would-be streamers more incentive to stay instead of going with the competition.
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TheRhymnocerous
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I’ve been affiliate for some time now, had a bunch of prime subs, subs and bits chucked my way and have yet to receive a payout from twitch. They need to up the split and lower the payout ceiling.
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kaeluxe
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Twitch needs to change this policy in favor of creators. The creators are what bring value to the website, and they deserve to be compensated as such. Also, by increasing streamers' payouts can reduce their need for other platforms like Patreon or Ko-Fi, which will give them more support focused on the twitch channel itself, which in turn will increase the amount of money Twitch can make.
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Maldiva
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I fully support this!
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Elure
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Actually its not even the 50% for some people. In spain you pay a sub in €, but you get pain in USD, so you lose money in the transaction. And now, with the subs having a lower price, we get paid even less.
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VaughnIXI
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If not this at least make the 50% they take part of our taxes.
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RioKenpachi
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This is one of the biggest changes Twitch needs to make imo.
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shelbyrenae
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It’s absolutely time to change the revenue split.
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TheTekShow
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The sooner the better!
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Dayoman
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Please twitch just a crumb of respect.
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megwon
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Please do this!! We depend on our twitch payouts to help us put more quality and effort into our channels, we can’t do that with only 50% of our hard work being given back to us
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Jpoo_
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If Twitch doesn't do something they will lose their throne as the best platform for livestreaming. Youtube and Facebook are calling peeps.
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czysix
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yes please twitch!!
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ThinkrDotExe
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I can't agree with this more! Twitch is the only platform that takes 50% of their creators revenue and makes it nearly impossible for smaller creators to get their payouts without grinding for months. I really hope Twitch is paying attention to this, because other platforms that are still "behind" as far as features and such are ahead of the game in taking care of their creators, and as they continue to develop their platforms.... well.... Twitch will be left behind if they don't evolve and respond to the constantly changing content creation environment.
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SakuraAvalon
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Dear Twitch,
Be better! and give them benefits while your at it -
Zets_EXE
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If yall had a reasonable payout like above then I would actually put way more effort into streaming on your platform, right now its just a hobby because yalls expectations of the streamers are unrealistic. 50/50? When we are the ones doing the work? Come on now.
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hellakatty
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Twitch pls! FB out here giving cash bonuses and full subscription amounts to their creators while offering a subpar platform.
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BlindiRL
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Should this be posted on /r/antiwork?
Edit:https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rw4ebm/twitch_streamers_are_asking_for_a_better_cut/ -
ThiccNickGaming
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FACTS