Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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creativesteve619
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I defentley would love to see a better split for streamers. It would defentley help our favorites we grew to know and love over the years that we support help a ton instead of twitch getting the cash crab. Especially with lower requirements to be affiliate.
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Cutwright
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Amazon Net Worth was estimated as $1705 billion ($1.7 trillion) in December 2021. I believe its time to approach the curve and address the under value Amazon Twitch puts into its free market resources; its Affiliates and Partner streamers.
Facebook already saw this and tackled it in its infancy and Twitch, being the lead in the field is behind the times in the cost of living adjustments and pay out changes that other have been asking for years.
Obviously, I am for a higher split rev for all earning content creators.
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dammit2hell
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I would love to see a better split or at least a lower requirement to be able to renegotiate as it's always changing. You meet what the require, request a renegotiation and you get a reply stating the requirements have changed. Rinse, repeat.
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apa_02
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A
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AcidSugar1414
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70/30 and a $20 minimum monthly payout vote for me
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Myrnisth3word
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I think the rev split is a great idea. However asking to lower payout amount is a bit much $100 is a reasonable threshold as other platforms also have that minimum
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chloesnowy753
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Sometimes I go months before I get my $100 minimum payout. Changing it to $10-$20 would make a huge difference to me and other streamers.
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PeachWantsRevenge
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I think for the number of hours that streamers put in, we deserve more to show for it than $2.00 if we’re lucky.
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Tea_The_Khajiit
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I would love a change in revenue split, but at *the very least* it needs to be transparent to the viewers exactly how much of their money is going to the streamer.
I've had so many viewers get incredibly upset when they find out that only half of their sub or gifted subs have actually been helping me. There is not a whole lot of incentives for us to push sub count because of this, and I try to redirect my viewers to direct tips or Patreon.
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luxsylva
commented
We need minimum a 70% of the revenue ! other way it's not fair !
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shaggbott
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Theta.tv's model is this: monetized gets 70%, affiliate gets 80% and partners get 100% of sub revenue. So you're not wrong on this thought process
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Fluffy_Admiral
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YouTube also takes 50% cut. Looks like someone didn't do proper research.
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JayViper
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Twitch already is stuffing ads down our throats, even auto-running them during streams. I want to see the 70-80% model. But imagine what they'll do with ads once they do.
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Parlnock
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Rigged
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angielalaland
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Let’s face it… if they want to survive the the long haul, they’re going to have to be more competitive w what & how other services are paying out. Also, the more successful the streamers feel (pay is a GREAT way to feel successful), the better off Twitch as a whole will be.
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ThatProgrammerTV
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I completely agree with this. Twitch needs to make these changes sooner than later.
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mat_novak
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For the a streaming service that demands their streamers to sign an exclusivity deal this early, this is crazy. Any change in that direction will be a good change.
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Aryll
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I agree, Twitch needs to change this as soon as possible. Also, in Spain is even worse; some months ago they lowered the subscription price from 5€ to 4€, but we don’t receive 2€ from each subscription, we receive 2$, which is 1.70€, so when our supporters donate 10 subs, they spend 45$ and we receive not even 19$. That doesn’t make any sense, and it forces us to promote other ways to get income, instead of promoting subscriptions, because personally I feel so bad for all of my viewers who spend THEIR money trying to support me, and Twitch getting more than 55% of it instead.
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Pepsiismyblood
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Honestly I wasn't fully aware that twitch was taking that much of a cut. Until they change the split to at least 70-30, I'm canceling all of my subscriptions, I was putting a good chunk of cash into the site via bits and subs but, I won't anymore until the change in the split happens.
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amitrixfps
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Twitch needs to do better for its creators because we spend alot of time for it