Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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SkitchTheWolf
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This is something I can see helping small streamers immensely. It's so disheartening to see such a high payout cap while you're still trying to build an audience, and even if you manage to get a few bits here or a few subs there, it ultimately doesn't make much of a difference when the payout cap is already exponentially higher than what you're realistically getting from viewer support.
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SkookumHime
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Even if it was $50 minimum, that would be better than $100
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SheppyZ
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As a small streamer in the UK, we lose a huge amount of revenue due to tax law differences too, so this would make being a content creator on the platform worthwhile.
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FancySkunk
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Extremely in favor of both changes suggested here.
Twitch's cut of sub revenue may have made sense at one point, but re-evaluating it has been long overdue.
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keylimepixie_
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I don't even get 50%. I get 45%. and I'm in the US. It's awful.
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Hijigono
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100% Behind this as a viewer. Twitch doesn't cover as much risks with helping streamers with any Dcma like Youtube, so they should be limited to just a platform role.
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ReploidX9
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I find it odd that Amazon Affiliates pays better than Twitch. Both are Amazon owned....
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GR33NxCR4CKx420
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Im a new streamer and love this idea lets go twitch make it happen for us streamers
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Dynamaux
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Just think about all the great content that could be made if streamers were paid better to do it!
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Sp00ky_Deer
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Twitch is lagging behind their competition on this front so substantially. I know a lot of people (myself included) are jumping to different 3rd party revenue platforms so that they can actually benefit from the support of their communities. It's in Twitch's best interest to work out a different revenue split so that there's more incentive to use Twitch's monetization. Additionally, the fact that there even is a payout threshold at all is crazy to me. Most viewers don't know about this and I think if they did that would ALSO impact their decision to spend their money through Twitch.
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NoRezervationz
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When I was a streamer, I would have 3-4 subs a quarter near the end of it. It was never enough to meet the minimum payout, so Twitch/Amazon just kept it. It's the equivalent to steeling from your employees. Honestly, I probably could've got a lawyer and sued for payment, but for that little it wouldn't have been enough to justify the means.
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marydotEXE
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My friends and faves who rely on streaming full-time put so much work into their content. They deserve to make more money.
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JumpSuitAscended
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Voted! I'm one of those smaller streamers and this needs to be done!
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TheChaosPixxie
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This is the absolute bare minimum of the changes twitch needs to make. And they need to do it asap! Voted!
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OmegaMercenary
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Big agree!!!!
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AndyMacster
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This is very idyllic, but any step in this direction would be immensely beneficial for streamers on Twitch. It's still wild to consider that a majority of subscribers to 98% of streams give only 50% of that money to the streamer, before tax and fees.
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oR3APER
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I think the changes suggested are a little too much to begin with. Think a more realistic expectation would be to lower payout to 50 USD and change from 50 to 60 for streamers (and aim for 70 at later time). I voted on this anyway and back it!
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mercurial64
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You're basically asking the greediest corporation in the world to make less money. How cute.
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deej
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Would incentivize folks from lower income brackets from other countries to be more consistent if they see a turnaround for their earnings faster. Would be good to be competitive with YT and FB.
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the_voidcrew
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Voted, because you also have to account for taxes and currency conversion on this and it's bloody annoying (unless i'm wrong but hey more event keel revenue split A+++)