Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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drpritch
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This should be an absolute minimum. Raising the split to 70/30 and reducing the payout to $20 has to happen. When this does, you'll see a higher level of content creation and plethora of creators coming out.
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YukiHoshikawa
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The revenue split for subs is in desperate need of an upgrade. As you mentioned, Twitch's competition gives 70% to its streamers. The fact that Twitch still only gives 50% of subscription revenue to its streamers is incredibly disappointing; an upgrade to the rev share is long overdue.
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viva_la_caravan
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Doing this out of anger
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CrowSphere
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As a small affiliate streamer and single parent, I can absolutely attest to the number of times that my Twitch payout coming through made such a huge difference in life. I think this is a wonderful and beneficial idea for everyone.
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kaidenk2184_
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Let's go Dellor, let's make a change on Twitch for the better of everyone!!
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HyenaToofs
commented
That would be fantastic, if would make people like me actually not feel bad about streaming.
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IHTEVRY1
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That would be great people would wanna broadcast and try and make money
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HawkNinja15
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Ultimately I don't think we'll see a change at this point but it's nice to get the ball rolling on this, content creators really don't make money from the easiest way to give back. Subs.
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CyberBunny2020
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Imagine being paid. That'd be nice, like I stream for fun but still. Cmon twitch 50%
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CanaanFoxx
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Yeah I'd like to get paid, that'd be nice.
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NepSnide
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I doubt this is gonna happen but I gave my vote anyway.
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slocky_
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i get that twitch doesn't want to be making billions of tiny payouts, but if they're going to hang onto our money until we make $100, they should be paying us the interest they're making on it.
the double taxation on purchases is also ridiculous. -
BigSyn
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It's a major bummer as a Twitch Partner that I can't renegotiate my sub split until I sit certain thresholds.
It's great that Twitch Partners get 60/40 and 70/30 on T2 and T3 respectively, but we really truly need to do something about the Tier 1 splits.
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adequateavenger
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For fairly small, hobbyist streamers the $100 is definitely tough. Even lowering it by half would make it so that we see the benefit a lot more and are more able to re-invest into our stream. Obviously the split would be a huge help for that as well, but I see that as more crucial for career streamers which is a big step to consider to begin with. Fully support this!
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QuantumSGT
commented
This.
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squire_sly
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$100 isnt realy that bad. But the split of 50% is terrable or realy 49% - 50% for subs. They make 2.50 stresmer makes 2.49
Bits they make 1.00 for every 100.
But the amount they sell for verrys on how much you buy at once and both cost more on mobile.
I suport paying streamers more. -
OfficialDJXage
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If mee6 memberships and patreon can offer only taking 5% to 8% cut from payout then twitch being the most leading in the industry to keep content creators signed to the platform should in fact lower their payout cut. this ideally would make them still stay in the most leading in the live streaming scene. Just stating some facts of course.
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BasedBidoof
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FeelsWeirdMan Stop taking so much money from the poor people.
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Phillie
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The threshold being at $100 wouldn’t be as bad if the sub split made more sense. I was very upset, as a Partner, to reach out about an increase of sub split since it had been a year of being partnered on Twitch. All I was told is that they were not able to fulfill my request for higher revenue shares/contract renegotiation. Was highly upsetting. Hoping that this post can get us some traction.
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erichofmann
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Both these seem very reasonable to me.