Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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forecasterweatherwax
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I will not purchase a subscription until this matter is fixed, and partly because of it I attempt to avoid Amazon products and services whenever possible.
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TheGamingDefinitionTV
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70/30 Split for Affiliates.
75-80/20 Split for Partners.50/50 only ends up hurting Twitch as it makes it harder for the streamers to go fulltime which leads to them streaming less & effectively earning less.
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DanDrumStone
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Love everything about this, but lower the payout amount if anything.
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danthaman619__
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I want to be partner on twitch
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Ecthaelion
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This is the reason I try to find other ways to donate that don't give Twitch a cut. B/c they ***** streamers over a bit more than needed I feel.
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kyysha
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I often subscribe to a small streamer I watch and I would be a lot happier giving that money knowing most of it goes to him and not half of it going to Twitch/Amazon. I follow the stream for him, not the platform and so I want to pay him, and not the platform when I donate <3
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ZucchiniVR
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I think is a great idea but keep 50/50 for dellor until he shows he has the balls to stream
Yours truly- Zucchini -
blkdiamond83
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As someone who doesn't stream but a big supporter of content creators, It's disheartening to know that 50% of the money I intend to go toward the creators, end up going to Twitch/Amazon. Higher revenue sharing will allow more creators to go from part-time to full time, make more engaging content and enhance the overall quality of their production. Make it so!
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WillyKspray
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More and more streamers are leaving for other platforms so the problems must be assessed. Look towards monetary equity and social equity that represents all and not just certain people.
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WillyKspray
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Twitch is owned or partnered with Amazon Corporation so let me ask, when do we say enough is enough when is it enough money. Greed is a quick path to ones downfall. Thank You
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Morwic
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Amazon/Twitch should keep 10% and give streamers a 90% payout! I wish streamers would just leave twitch unless something is done that's the only way anything would ever change is if Twitch sees the pipe full of free money from subs or ads go away!
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ALM1GHTY___
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Love the idea would also love to see better ways implanted ... it's 2022 there's are awesome ways to earn $$$
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Mxiety
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I think we'd see more people sticking to it and less burn out if streamers felt they were compensated for all of their effort. Would love to see this take effect.
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SzymonSays
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Great initiative and i think there will be more quality content if the incentive was better!
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sLogOG
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Even tough I'm %100 agree with everything you say, I have to add or correct a few things. As a very small Turkish affiliate streamer we(I) get %30 of it, so %70 is cut. From that %30, Twitch also cuts %25 for tax. And also because of the regional pricing, our subs is not 5$, it is 10TL which is literally 0.70$ at the moment. So you do the math how many subs do I need to get my payout :)
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kroetenfresse3d
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Wäre nur fair :)
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soldier_man31
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so wie es sein muss...
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germaNcurrY
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Good idea
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FawnLace_
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As a small streamer just starting to gain traction, I know it’s unrealistic to dream of a better split in revenue… however the 100$ payout is definitely something that I’ve had to contend with time-wise. That 100$ feels nice to see, but knowing I could invest 20/30/50 back into my stream frequently would feel overwhelmingly better.
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NoiseyOneTTV
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Subscriptions are an awesome way to get people to come back and watch someone. Cause they get some cool emotes and extra benefits with the channel(s). Bits are a fun way to interact with the stream too if they set it up right and also supporting them too. Changing how much takeback Twitch gets and allowing the streamers to get more from subs/bits would incentive people to do it more often.