Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
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euyeonline
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Still need this
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r3mm13
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This would be great! I want to help support my household and this would be so helpful for me to do that. Please consider Twitch!!!
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trashyLAMF
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Fingers crossed!!
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slitspeed
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Small streamer here as well. This change will be a big help for me as I am way under the $100 threshold with around $68 rn. Please hear us out!
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glaubermsp
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Estimula muito mais os streams a trazer muito mais conteúdo para a comunidade, mais do que ja fazem hj!
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Jaxieon
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Twitch, hear us - the small streamers - out. 💙
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ArmhairGeneral
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This would be great!
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UK_Trigger
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Agree Agree!! Would like to get behind this!!
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Trailblazer_CnC
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Small streamer here, this would definitely help!
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DiS_CnC
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Agreed on all fronts.
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DaSheriffff
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I'm a small streamer so it would be great to get a 70/30 or higher split for us and also it would be great if we could get paid out with $10 instead of $100.
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PwN2KiLl2
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A 70% split would have given me an extra $1000 last month...
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PwN2KiLl2
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Been saying this for a year or more. Twitch needs a better revenue split for their creators, and especially for their partnered creators to underscore the prestige of the checkmark. PLEASE do better for your creators. 70/30 80/20!
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ZoenZeYinglet
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Moving forward, unless this is changed, I'll be recommending anyone who chooses to support me do Ko-Fi donations (90%) or Streamloots cards (80%) over Twitch subs (50%), though if they absolutely must do anything through Twitch, it'll be bits (70-75%).
It makes no sense how subs look like the "best way" to support the streamer due to how much it's encouraged, yet it's actually the *worst* option to support a streamer because it's the *lowest* income ratio yield compared to every other option.
Do better, Twitch.
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wait___what_
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there are other platforms where i can pay for a subscription to a streamer for $4 (less than twitch) and they get anywhere from $3-$3.60 of that (more than twitch). because of that, i've cancelled twitch subscriptions to support the same streamer better in a different place.
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zuyadragon
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What's worse about being paid by twitch now, is that with localized sub pricing, we're only getting 50% of the local pricing once that's translated back into USD. I have a sub in the UAE, and I know when their sub renews. I only get $1.49 from that sub. With subs I get between $1.49/sub to $2.55/sub - and it currently averages out to being about 2.29/sub. I don't even get the proper 50% of prime subs, since twitch takes the fees out of Affiliate's side of the payout. Sure, those are small fees, but it adds up when it's taken out of every single sub.
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MindofaSnail
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This unequal split of sub revenue is one of the reasons why it feels better supporting streamers by giving them cheer/bits. i also try not to encourage people to subscribe to our stream. I hope this effort to change things gets some traction.
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KaNaRiO_LoKoTV
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Queremos el cambio Ya!
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S94c
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Note: I am not a streamer.
One thing that's always bothered me is that Twitch is not at all forthcoming about the payout structure when they encourage viewers to _support_ streamers with money. Here's the encouragement they provide: "Support every month and Subscribe to help <streamer_name> keep doing what they're doing."
Nowhere does that admit that Twitch will be pocketing a significant portion of that support. If we're honest, nobody pays for a sub to support Twitch; they buy subs to support streamers. Twitch's cut should be the bare minimum, to reflect the bare minimum they do in every facet of making their own service successful.
Twitch wouldn't need to throw away multiple millions of dollars to entice big streamers if their fundamental pay structure was more balanced. That balance should always favor the streamer producing the content that's bringing in the money in the first place.
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DigiTamerRiley
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I've had multiple subscriptions that only paid me $1.70 so we don't even actually get a 50/50 revenue split, it's more akin to 40/60 on average