Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
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DekulRuno
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Agreed this needs to improve, the temptation to switch platforms only grows...
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simarchy
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I've 3x-4x surpassed the requirement for a higher split every single month for years, but since the majority of my subs are gifted it doesn't count. A higher split for partners should be a default. I support raising the split for everyone fairly.
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Kuumba_
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unless twitch just wants Youtube to doninate the streaming industry like they do with only videos , this is just a nessary change
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PiotrCNS
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From this year, starting January revenue is more lower... In Poland Subscription cost 3,99$ and i must pay 30% tax, so from one sub i've got 1,39$... Thanks to God I have full time job and I don't have to rely on Twitch payment. Sometimes I really think about spending my free time on some other stuff then streaming and it's sad cuz i really love doing this...
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xHadesStamps
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Although I'm still fully unmonetized (thanks, lack of discoverability and existence of life preventing consistency), this NEEDS to happen immediately. And as has been said in the comments, discoverability needs to be a thing!
Now some things I want to address: People saying that requirements for affiliate will increase. Why the **** would they do that? They'd be taking less money and THEN further decreasing the revenue? It may seem like it, but Twitch does NOT want to die out.
People saying the price of a sub will increase: While this isn't as crazy as the aforementioned one, it'll still be a net negative. While lowering the price of subs in other areas of the world turned out not to be a net positive, more people will care about increased prices.
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RyuugaPlays
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This is an easy vote from me. By the way if you happen to live in a country that doesn't have tax treaty with the US, you are further deducted 30% off the $2.50, which means these streamers only get a measly $1.75 for every T1 $5.00 sub. These countries include (but not limited to) Malaysia, Vietnam and Singapore. I'm sure there are more out there.
Now I understand eliminating tax withholding is beyond the scope of Twitch's legal capabilities, that being said, if the revenue split were to increase, streamers in these countries would also get a fairer share.
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AKGaming89
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i agree payout should be lowered
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GartinMarrix
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Everyone should go support LiveSpace, they're making a new platform giving 85% split www.live.space
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JayDoesThingsinHD
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This should've been implemented a long time ago, but better late than never.
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EarthKai
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to the people bootlicking and saying we don't deserve more, you have worms for brains :)
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die_regenbogen_einhoerner
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ich fand es bisher okay twitch als plattform 50% abzugeben aber was man nicht vergessen darf ohne uns streamer wäre twitch nicht das was sie wären und
deswegen muss twitch auch mal umdenken und langsam mal mehr zahlen
70/30 regelung wäre gut aber das machen andere plattformen auch schon
also müsste twitch teoretisch noch einen schritt weiter gehen -
unicornmom666
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It's the not releasing what you've earned in a monthly basis too that's wrong earnt money is earnt money at the end of the day and it should be paid to the streamer. Creating content and pressing the live button takes a lot to do. Planning prep behind the scenes stuff nobody realises. The money spent also getting emotes and alerts done so we're not asking a lot.
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BillyJBryant
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https://twitchtracker.com/xxphantasmagoriaxx
Last streamed in Dec 2018, has 10 followers, has no place to comment on streamer payout issues.
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JoeTheUmpire
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xxphantasmagoriaxx says 99% sure the non streamer
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xxphantasmagoriaxx
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its fair the way it is, you people just want more and more all take and no give, its THEIR platform what they need to focus on is getting rid of the garbage on the platform like basically any one in the IRL streams and hot tub streamers.
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Digital_Goon
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I've been saying this for a while. I feel the split should be 70/30; maybe back in the day 50/50 was reasonable but twitch has grown enough now that they wouldn't really lose money by offering their creators more incentive.
Twitch could also stand to bring discoverabilty to the platform, you shouldn't have to work twice as hard to grow here. Some of us don't mind (I run a YouTube channel, TikTok, etc and I enjoy making content for different platforms) but at the end of the day that shouldn't be a requirement for organic growth. Twitch NEEDS an algorithm and better wages for their creators. It's pretty sad when most streamers agree they'd rather receive direct donations over subs.
I had a friend come to my stream not long ago and hit me with $250 worth of gifted subs of which I took home $125. A 70/30 split would've seen me earn $175 instead.
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ElleRows
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I agree with everything. Also want to include that Patreon, as example gives the CREATOR THE OPTION to request payouts on a daily basis, create automatic monthly payouts or even pause payments all while giving a better split. (oh yeah, and the creator pays for the payout just like we do on twitch...)
Another example to show how similar services have pay out methods.. is mee6 (the discord bot that offers memberships) uses Stripe for payments and processes those ever 7 days with a 30 day delay after receiving the payment
We (the streamers) already pay for our payouts, Twitch can afford to let us get paid more frequently and lower payout minimums.
I would not be against losing another 25 cents to get a second payout each month."Twitch uses a third-party payment processor for payouts. The processor -- not Twitch -- charges a transaction fee each time you are paid ...The fees vary based on the payout method that you choose and are as follows:"
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/affiliate-onboarding-guide?language=en_US#fees
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realchaosmadman
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50% cut is beyond ridiculous, when I subscribe to a streamer I do it to support them not to support the platform that's notorious for not only ignoring its audience and the people who make them money but also will just rip the livelihood from people who've not broken TOS while keeping the ones who regularly break TOS. I understand that a cut is taken but 50% is far too much, I would have expected a 10% cut or even 15%. If twitch wants to keep the people who make them money they need to start treating them better and I feel that taking a lower cut from their earnings is a good start.
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Vaesive
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@BarefootOnTheM00n We get all bits... AFTER the initial cut that Twitch takes to purchase the bits.
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BillyJBryant
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@naitoyoru: The only person I see being a brat is you. You're account was created in 2013, in that time you have followed 4 streamers, one of which has over 22k viewing hours (which I'm positive you didn't contribute a whole hell of a lot to). You have never streamed on the platform thus not only do you not make any money from it, nor do you contribute to it in any way. Therefore, this doesn't affect you, in any way, shape form or fashion, yet you come here to slam people who are trying to advocate for themselves.
The reality is that Twitch takes 50% of all subscriber payouts, they take nearly 30% of all bits payouts (which are usually miniscule because of the fractured economy that keeps users in the dark about how much a bit pays). The company pays out $3.50 CPM on average for Ads, meaning that it takes 1000 unique ad views to make $3.50 for showing ads, no matter the length of the ad. The rest of the ad revenue (Typically, the ads are sold for around $8 CPM) goes to Twitch.
If you take all of those figures and look at the fact that Twitch currently has over 639 million registered accounts, of those there are roughly 9 million active streamers, of which 1.9 million are affiliate and approximately 51k are partners. In the past month alone there were over 68 million hours streamed across an average of 98k broadcasters (Peak 142k, and thats a low month).
Twitch forces at minimum 90 seconds of ad for every 45 minutes of watched content. If you account that only 10% of the Twitch streamers are at Affiliate or Partner level, and non-monetized streams do not have ads, that is still roughly 6.8 Million hours streamed. At 1:30 per 45 minutes streamed, thats 9.066 million 1:30 ad slots which comprise of 3 ads per slot for a whopping 27m ads shown.
If you calculate that Twitch is paid $8CPM at what is likely an average view rate of 30% per ad, that is still $64 Million in ad revue, of which only about $28 Million is paid out to monetized streamers, with the largest portion being distributed to the top 0.5% (The most streamed partners).
That means the platform still pockets roughly $36M in ad revenue and we haven't even gotten to Subscribers and Bits yet.
All the while, the streamers who struggle to reach their $100 monetary payout limit (which based on the numbers is actually about 98% of all active streamers btw) don't make a dime for months on end.
Yes, Twitch is a business and a for-profit organization, but the profit is made on the backs of its creators who have no option but to either put up with it and hope they make a payout or switch to a different platform, which would ultimately lose them followers as many have proven before. (If you don't believe me go look at Harris Heller's reports of his own loss in engagement and the fiscal impact of him moving to YouTube from Twitch, and he was one of the top 1% of Twitch Streamers).
So instead of complaining about something you know NOTHING about, why don't you take your own advice and tell mommy and daddy the mean man was being rude to you on the internet, but don't come insulting creators for standing up for themselves.