Make Art/Creative its own directory
Hi all! We really appreciate all of the wonderful feedback and passion surrounding this topic. Reading through the comments, we wanted to clarify one point that may have caused confusion:
The purpose of this experiment with new directories is intended to better highlight broad groupings of content by bringing them together in directories where they wouldn’t be in direct competition with each other, increasing their exposure. In this way, creative content stands to have better exposure by being separated from gaming, etc. We will know better once the experiment concludes and we’re able to review the data in full.
That being said, through your feedback, we also recognize that the broad naming of the category as “IRL” doesn’t acknowledge that Creative and IRL content are distinct. We will be evaluating the results of the experiment to determine how we can continue to best support communities’ growth, while ensuring we are recognizing their unique qualities. Please continue to share your thoughts and ideas around this topic!
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People being unaware that there is ANY art on twitch is like saying, people did not know chickens lay eggs. Are they aware there is a browse tag, you can click on and see that there is an art catagory? If they don't know that there was art it's probably because the intentionally have not looked for it, or that the things they typically watch don't allow the algorithyms to just automatically fit art to be a thing seen. You do have to browse, you do have to look. What you CAN see on the left is based on the things you have already watched, or streamed oneself. That's been my experience.
I have come across a lot of people who were unaware there is ANY art on Twitch. I think that speaks for itself.
I think it would be a good idea to at least split Art into 2 different categories for more precise metrics and more accurate results than currently is, because just "Art" is too vague and generalized for what people can do.
What I propose is splitting Art into 2 (At least)
Traditional Art/Crafts - Means all traditional and physical media such as Sculpting, painting (either acrylics, oils, gouache, etc.), drawing with pencils or inks, markers, and mostly all visual artworks done through physical or traditional mediums.
(The name could be adjusted to maybe fit it as Traditional Visual Arts or such to specify visual media)
Digital Art - Means all visual artwork that is created through digital mediums such as digital painting/inking (In programs such as Photoshop, Clip Studio or other programs made for similar artistic purposes), 3D Modeling, Textures, 2D Animation and 3D animation.
There may be some mediums that I might be missing but this is my general idea on how to make this category slightly more accurate towards the metrics and then we could see if it's worth dividing it into further categories if needed.
Es triste que una plataforma que puede apoyar el arte e impulsarlo no esté escuchando a sus creadores de contenido. Literalmente es poner un botón, sería una buena manera de apoyarnos y animarnos a que sigamos generando contenido en esta plataforma, al igual que se hace con otro tipo de directos. Sabéis de sobra que, cuanto más accesible es algo, más se anima a la gente a interactuar, así que no entiendo el por qué de esta medida. Así que, por favor, escuchen a sus creadores, pongan la categoría de Arte como algo individual y destacado.
You say that creative content should get better exposure by being lumped into IRL and I have to ask how that makes ANY sense at all. If anything it does the exact opposite by lumping Creative streams into a MASSIVE pool of catch all streamers. Giving them their own category would absolutely give 100000000000% more exposure and bring together the creative community instead of casting them into the IRL void.
PLEASE make Comedy its own place. Comedy Clubs across the country are shuttered and turning to Twitch.
Stand Up, Sketch Comedy, and Improv
I think uservoice was a good idea, especially since "art/creative as a directory" and "trans tag request" are the most popular ideas on here, proving they're important to the twitch community and making me hope they'll be taken seriously
i believe art and body painting are not the same so art sould be its on tab and body paint should have its own tab as well i would rather it not be in just chating i can get chating at work dont need a tab for that lol sorry im not a sugar coater i speak my mind
u should make a art tap
There's really no confusion here, it's clear from a business perspective this is a good call ... for Twitch ... Amazon ... More small categories jammed into a big banner makes it more attractive towards advertisers, it seems like that's a succes, as viewer I see more ads than before ... a wider variety.
As a content-creator/streamer I can only imagine how much my content will get buried under other things ... because who in heaven's name is gonna search for arts in a "IRL" section. You say this will give more exposure, but logically thinking a new visitor who's interested in arts will see NO ARTS on the front page and therefore assume there isn't any, continuing their search elsewhere. Is this a bold assumption, yes ... but just imagine being new to a platform, you see a few categories and think "ohh, this is it... this is all they have to offer." As artists and we already have to fight to get some eyes on our work and this decision only further complicates stuff for us. Just for once listen, we're are with over 5 thousand here, doesn't that say enough, it is THE LARGEST thread on here.
So, just please ... listen!
I personally love watching artists, and discovering newer ones! But putting it in the IRL section would make everything SO much harder!
Personally I think some consistancy would go a long way. Not only having Art seperate from other streaming sections, but also giving it actual age appropriate selection. People getting banned from the Art section for being 'inappropriate' when it's just art. When you have people playing games with characters like IVY from Soul Calibur or Cyberpunk 2077, additionally you have IRL streamers dancing practically naked for bits, how is this different.
Having clear and concise rules for streamers with consistant reinforcement would be better than just lumping everything together, whether the mod personally likes the person, their culture or their world views shouldn't effect the rules set in place.
Organize a list of rules and exemptions for artists on the platform, and get mods to actually enforce them properly. Engage with the artists and ask why they're doing what they're doing, don't just blanket ban them because the mod is having a moody day.
This is ridiculous. Creative category actually came after gaming and you guys totally demolished that category. Twitch used to be so inclusive of all artists. Now it's totally like you don't want artists to be acknowledged at all. Everything now seems to be pick and choosy with this platform now. The unfairness and lack of inclusivity towards certain groups. Even the TOS has a lot of grey area that I tried asking support about and couldn't even get a direct response because they didn't know. Everything is a mess. I have been on this platform for almost 5.5 years and have seen everything change.
I want you to imagine if google removed every search result that used the term art and said "If you want to find artistic content then just search this super broad term instead that doesn't actually have anything to do with art." That would be insane right? No one would ever find what they are looking for right?
So tell me how this is any different? If the search engine you are using doesn't show you content related to the search terms you are using then that search engine is broken. If someone types "art" into the twitch search bar it should show them people streaming artistic things. If someone searches "Gaming" they should find gaming streams. If someone searches for something using the most appropriate terms for that thing then they should find that thing... what you are doing makes no sense and it is going to make art streamers impossible to find so people will just stop searching for them cuz they cant find them.
One more exsample for you.... imagine if you went to the library and couldn't find Lord Of The Rings... infact it seems all the nonfiction is missing all together... what the heck is going on? You wonder.
So you ask the person at the counter who informs you that they have merged the nonfiction and the mythology section into one big section called "Non provable literature." wouldn't that make finding what your looking for much more difficult? wouldn't that make little to no sense? Well that's essentially what this idea of yours does...
Only your idea is worse because you're putting the art textbooks into the magazine and hobbies section which makes literally no sense.
I beg of you... on my hands an knees like a dog... DO NOT DO THIS! It will kill the arts on this platform.
Yeah real distinct categories you have for this bull experiment. The only creativity you've acknowledged is music and you can't even do anything with that thanks to the DMCApocalypse
So to review your idea of "unique categorization"
Games, also games but the player is getting paid, dead space, and everything else.
Can you maybe see why people are frustrated? We're not confused you're just being jerks.
Yes, please do keep art separate and in it's own category, just like having a makers and crafting category as well as a science and technology category are all important and should not be lumped together. Each are unique and the talented people are many for each category. If anything, spend more time promoting the separate categories by maybe doing a twitch presents weekly stream with various artists from each of the smaller categories like you did with the music category. there are many people that don't know that there is a makers and crafting category that I have come across. I feel when you create a new category to help separate it out it twitch's responsibility to let their members know "new categories have been created, please check them out! 😉" Whether it be in a tweet or each twitch users personal notifications on the browser like you do for drops and other important events.
Wonderful management you have there. A shame if something bad were to happen to it. Like the death of the platform because of mismanagement. Seriously, how can you be so willfully ignorant of what a community desires out of your product?
With everything going on and your lack of tools for streamers I am guessing that by the end of next year it wont matter anyway as the service will implode under the weight of the poor decisions and we will all migrate to youtube. Good luck to you.
There is appeciating feedback, and then there is actually listening to feedback.
Data can only tell you only numbers, not the thoughts and opinions of the people behind those numbers.
I am sure that we all appreciate that you are trying to make the platform better, whether that be obtaining site-wide licences for music to protect the streamers who generate money for Twitch or highlighting specific main categories over others to bring them exposure.
But by burying the entire Creative section (including Science & Programming) under IRL is a serious flaw in your thinking on this matter, NONE of the categories within Creative come anywhere close to IRL.
Giving Creative it's own main directory like you have for Gaming||Music||IRL|| Esports is all the 5800++ people who voted on this issue are asking for, it is a LOW COST/FREE FIX to a major issue between Twitch and the creative/arts streamers on the platform.
We are literally asking for one thing, the same exposure as every other main category/directory on Twitch has the privilige of getting.
I think this response has come across as a bit tone deaf and not addressing the issue with a rather simple solution. Having a creative category is not a difficult fix.
You don’t need an “experiment” to see that artists are not happy about this decision. A group which is not only users of twitch, but also create assets for other twitch users. Ignoring their input and continuing to make decisions based on “data” rather then users of your platform is ridiculous. The response is loud and clear. If music can have it’s own category art should as well, if not, it’s a clear disregard to these crucial users on your platform.