Bad Raid Requirements
I just noticed the recent changes to people setting raids after a stream how the requirement is now pushed to minimum of 5 viewers and over. I have to say this in REALLY bad, because this hurts smaller streamers who might not have that many viewers watching their channel, only to see their own raids turn into hosts instead. This essentially cripples streamers ability to be noticed when they raid someone after finishing a stream, it was already bad enough when you crippled it so that people can't raid/host channels from 1 viewer, which is fine I guess, but to change the requirement to 5 viewers is bad overall.
I want to recognise the people who raid into me even if their viewership isn't that big, I don't want to see someone just show up as a host to my streams when they set a raid. it just makes their raids seem less significant. This is something that needs to be reverted to how it was before.
I keep seeing stupid changes like these being made on Twitch that make no sense at all without any careful consideration of what it ends up doing to streamers as a result. Case in point like how you were gonna force mid-roll ads on streams, and immediately people pointed out how bad that is.
Hey guys! We really appreciate the feedback that has been brought forth in this thread and just wanted to update you a little bit on what is going on.
This change was originally made to guard against raid bot attacks. While smaller raids are currently viewable in activity feed in the dashboard, we are working on a solution that treats raids equally while guarding against abuse tactics.
If the requirement for affiliates is 3 avg viewers then why would a raid be 5?
This is horrible for small streamers and really knocks your confidence...
Imagine all those who have just become an affiliate and then they're faced with this.
And, I know you could just tell the streamer you're raiding, but if have anxiety or have just finished your stream and are worn out, it's just gonna make you're not gonna feel like you can't or that you have to explain yourself for something that wasn't an issue before.
Yea, this is the worst.
Smaller channels that only get 1-5 viewers have to grind an achievement for raiding people, only to not get a notification or a thank you for doing so.
This is messed up, and also I want to thank EVERY SINGLE person that ever hosts/raids me, but I don't get the notifications from my personal overlays so I don't see it until a minute or so later after paying attention in my matches...
This sucks. Please fix this back to letting us decide whether we want an alert or not by letting us have the original system of ALL RAIDS show.
This hurts so much. It hurts small streamers so much. Twitch should be ashame of themselves. You already known that some small streamers get at least an average of 2-4 viewers. They need to change this. It makes 0 sense. They didn't know that bot raids can be big too, so what is the point of all of this? I have at least an average of 3 and now I couldn't even raid my favorite streamers because of this bullcrap. They're trying to protect bots from getting in but can't even ban people who breaks the rules. Makes no sense.
This is a really bad feature for small channels on twitches part. I want to see notification on my stream even if it's a party of one!
Until this is fixed, I made a completely free redeemable Alert in Stream Labs CloudBot's Item store that is my normal raid sound and image, so when someone comes in with a lower view count raid, they can redeem it to let me know that it was indeed a raid. Allowing bots that help us manage our channels, and communities is not a bad thing, however, there has to be a way short of user reports of finding the bots. I mean a lot of the time, the username is a dead giveaway. Also, there needs to be better communication of these changes before they happen, as it starts getting confusing when these things happen and no one knows what is going on
If bots are the problem instead of crippling the streamers why not focus on the ones that are using bots in the first place. Then that will take care of the bot in raids!!!!!
Yeah, there has to be a better solution, small raids are so important for building your community and supporting other streamers...
I understand the requirement to guard against raid bot attacks, but there must be another solution. For small streamers the small raids are essential for building communities and for bigger streamers they show appreciation.
As all streamers are able to configure their default notification limits: please re-enable the old behaviour. Thanks
I'm also a small streamer. I'm raiding mostly with 2-4 viewers but sometimes even with 7. But with these 3-person raids I've discovered and build a community with several other streamers, boosting all our viewer numbers in the process. With this change that's... kinda ruined. There's no appreciation anymore. And it's always weird when everybody is saying "Raid!!" and the Alert says "XYZ is hosting you!"
I absolutely agree that it should be the streamer's choice whether or not they want the notification of <5 raid to show up. It happened in my stream that someone raided but the alert didn't go through and it just confused me and everyone watching. I want to know when someone raids, even if it's with just 2 or 3 people. Please make it optional? :)
1. Twitch could give us a setting that allows us to choose from what numbers raids trigger alerts in chat. Alerts wise streamlabs etc have that covered on their end too.
2. if Bots are the issue then DEAL with the bots instead of imposing stupid "rules" on your own platform that make people ****** off.
Bots have been A PLAGUE on twitch since they were allowed a while back EVERYTIME we start streaming there's an entire LEAGUE of bots in our chats and we have NO ways of getting rid of them.
I feel that the smaller viewer ship raid numbers is important especially for smaller raiders and smaller communities. This I see the best way to allow for mataining spam bot raid issues and still acknowledge smaller channels as if this isn't sorted as some one who wants to stream I see it as as why bother about raiding which is the most import way to build a community through exposing yourself to others and building rapport
It is weird to me that Twitch doesn't already have something like this, when some of the alert extensions do have user-set restrictions on raid alerts.
As a smaller streamer i would love for this to be fixed.
Whoever thought this up needs to be kicked in the shin. As a small streamer, sometimes a raid under 5 people still DOUBLES my viewership. That's huge for me, and I want to celebrate it! Give us back our notifications!
This is a terrible idea and does not support small streamers who are trying to grow their community. My average is 8 viewers but today was a quiet stream with 4 people watching and the raid message did not go through. VERY bad decision.
I am still a small streamer with just about 7 average viewers. This change is a massive pain ********** because I don't want to look at how many people are viewing at a time when I decide to raid someone. It is completely beyond me how Twitch can neglect the people who offer content to Twitch's viewers so much.
I'm a small streamer, and I average around 3-7 viewers a stream. I cherish every one of my viewers in my little community, and think that each one of them brings something unique to the chat. Having said that, when I announce a raid, a few of them understandably head out. With these new raid requirements it means that my raids will almost never get noticed, making it extremely more difficult for me to network and grow as a streamer. Does Twitch want people to grow their channels and provide more revenue for the streamer and platform, or is Twitch just trying to lock in the current status quo of partners/large streamers vs small streamers?
This is just a ridiculous, boneheaded decision from a business standpoint. The ONLY explanation I can see for Twitch enacting this is that they not only don't care about small streamers, but actually have some sort of weird disdain for them. FIX IT NOW.
This is an insult to smaller streamers. Getting affiliate sometimes takes a long time. And sending raids to starting streamers can help them with this. You need an average of 3 to hit affiliate, but now raiding <5 won't be recognized anymore?! How about helping out the smaller ones! Instead of kicking in someone's glasses with this new ""feature"".
A host is so much less than a raid. Every streamer that I see that gets a raid, cheers up. If they have 1 viewer or 200. They all get happy when someone raids them. Why take that away from people? Bad move Twitch. Bad move.
WTF Twitch...can you like...idk...let us determine on our channels what the raiding requirements need to be for raid?