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"I'm a Creative streamer. Long before Creative was a thing. I don't want nudity as part of broadcasts. Why? Several reasons. I run a business. Customers come to my channel to see my work, and one of the problems with nudity is that I don't want my business to be associated with it - Be it fine arts or hentai."
This argument is a joke right? there is nudity, sex, prostitution, violence, and gore all over twitch. if you don't want to be associated with it then why are you on twitch?
"That brings up the second reason why I don't want nudity. What is art, and what is porn? There's no hard line, and just because something isn't porn or distasteful to you, doesn't mean it isn't for others. I believe that hentai for instance, is porn. But ask any person who draws hentai, and they'll say it isn't. That it's art (The two are not mutually exclusive)."
So rather than have that discussion, we should all just give in to censorship?
"Creative isn't 18+, and it shouldn't be. There's no good way to allow children browsing Creative with, or without their parents, when there are people drawing dicks in there. (And setting channels to "mature" doesn't do jack)"
just like there is no way to ban kids from watching 18+ games. So we should ban those too right? Let's remove Rust, GTA, Call of duty, Battlefield, etc.
"There's no real good way to moderate this. Even without nudity allowed we've seen countless examples of people crossing the line, be it artful drawing or straight up porn, that have allowed to stream for hours before being shut down. There's no incentive at Twitch to have an admin browsing Creative constantly, verifying that all broadcasts that display genitalia are not crossing whatever arbitrary line Twitch would have to set on "What's porn?"
this is false there's an easy way to moderate it, and I shared this idea with Monkey on Strike a while back. Make it so only approved people can do it, whether it be partners or just an application process. that way you stop all the people who would stream nudity as a form of trolling.
"There are so many things to do in art. If you can't do nudity on stream, it's not that big of a deal, in my honest opinion."
That's because you do leather working and it isn't part of your process, stream, or art. So why fight for others? Nudity isn't part of my art or stream, but I still support others in their choice to fight for the freedom of expression. maybe we could move past seeing so much fan art and start seeing more original works if we allowed more freedom of expression. Diversity on art is a good thing in my opinion.
"The amount of risky content on JTV back when I broadcasted on there was actually enough to make me not want to share my broadcast with people I knew - It had much looser content guidelines, and as a result, it ended up being something I for instance wouldn't want to show my parents, because you never knew when a cam girl was building up an audience she'd then move over to an actual camsite (They did this a lot), or just straight up porn streams. (Porn streams could run for hours as long as they didn't hit frontpage, so if viewer numbers got too high, the broadcaster would put on a weird clown video or something to make part of the audience leave - The lengths people would go just to broadcast porn was stupid - The issue was well known by one of the mods I spoke with at the time) - I don't want Twitch to risk this being anywhere near a possibility to become the norm on their site."
what has this got to do with allowing nudity in art? we aren't talking about having streamers be naked. we are talking about painting and drawing here, not a cam show.
Nudity and violence is allowed all over gaming, but not allowed in creative. Creative equality is important, and banning nudity and then calling it porn, or graphic, or obscene is ridiculous.