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    Nightcrawla commented  · 

    @SpartanDraco your post was honestly very very very closed minded, which is ironic given that you're tired of such people. It's obvious you picked apart my post to create your‏s. It's also obvious you didnt even try to properly read what I've posted or even understand what I was at all saying. Let me clarify some of your statements for you.

    "VP9 by the way is the equivalent of AV1 youtube"
    -VP9 is the competitor/equivalent to H.265(HEVC) not AV1.

    "that's why they don't use AV1 first because they have google and its VP9"
    -VP9 was created by Google to have the quality and efficiency of H.265 without the licensing fees of H.265 and I hope you know that Google is part of the Multi-Organization collaboration developing AV1 to again keep the codec open source and free of licensing and to be the next codec to take over h.264, because its painfully obvious you didn't know, so you're welcome.

    "my mobile plays native AV1, my old 2012 mobile does it by software"
    -Just because YOUR shiny new phone can decode AV1 natively doesn't mean that the majority of people suddenly can do what you can. Sites like Twitch, Youtube, Kick, Facebook etc have to make sure that EVERYONE possible can view their videos seamlessly without the use of third party software and this includes having support for all devices new and a few years older. In order to do this effectively these sites need to be able, for now, transcode streams. Transcoding takes time, money and hardware, to which the CEO of Twitch has already stated they currently don't have the capacity to do that for everyone due to the servers being a few years old already and the amount of time it takes to transcode an AV1 ingest is much higher and more expensive than H.264. News Flash, the majority of earth's population doesn't have the newest and greatest available at their disposal. And Twitch/YT/Kick/FB etc have to cater to the majority, hence the reason its taking Twitch so long to implement. Even @S_Class_DaNewb did the work for you and posted below what video has the CEO talking about it and a timestamp! Yet you couldn't take the time to inform yourself before posting.

    Twitch is nowhere near the size of Youtube and also uses a different protocol, so naturally it's taking them longer. Is it unfortunate? Sure is, the key here is that we all (including myself) have to be patient for this to roll out. My post was more for the people **** posting Twitch for not having AV1 RIGHT NOW and how "cost saving it is" It isn't cost saving right now for the sites because they need to buy the hardware to save the money later and pass it along to the end user. Look I think we can all agree Twitch has done some very questionable things even recently, but people shouldn't be impatiently **** posting Twitch about not having AV1 right now just because youtube gave the streamer the ability to do it already. I think what's happening is that this thread is already so old and we still have yet to see any Twitch Staff even comment on it, that the people **** posting are aggravated for the no communication. Which is very understandable, I mean didn't Twitch say themselves that they created this "User Voice Forums" to better communicate with the community, and they clearly have ignored this thread as a whole.

    AGAIN: Even though Youtube has implemented the ability for a streamer to stream in AV1, youtube still transcodes the livestream to an older codec (VP9 or even worse AVC for 1080p and under). While thats great for us the streamer who's able to stream AV1 and can run a high quality stream at a lower bitrate on our end (That's our bandwidth/cost savings for the streamer only) you still fail to realize you yourself had to spend money to save money,(You bought a 1000 dollar graphic card in order to stream AV1) it doesn't negate the fact the people who are watching the transcoded stream, are not seeing an AV1 6mbps stream natively, they are watching your 6mbps AV1 stream transcoded to VP9 at more than double the bitrate. So there right now is no cost savings yet for the end user/viewer at this moment in time.

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    Nightcrawla commented  · 

    As much as I would love for twitch to add AV1 asap and wished it was here yesterday, you guys have to understand that most devices to this day still can't decode AV1 easily (phones, TV's, tablets etc) The CEO of twitch even said their old servers aren't equipped with being able to transcode AV1 easily either at the moment and are looking to be able to do it clientside, ie your web browser being able to decode an AV1 livestream. For example Look at Youtube. While yes we can stream to Youtube in AV1 they still transcode the LIVE stream using either AVC or VP9 (depending on your resolution). It's not a true AV1 to AV1 livestream, not yet. For those of you saying it's going to save tons of money. No, it will not, not right away at least. In fact it's going to cost them more to implement everything they need to, to be AV1 ready. Let us be real here as well, for the ones today who are streaming at the recommended 6k bitrate, you know dang well noone will be lowering that to be able to stream a higher quality feed using AV1 compared to h264 at that 6k bitrate, the only ones who will be using a lower bitrate are the ones who truely can't stream at 6k bitrate to twitch and the ones who just downloaded OBS with no idea what settings to change and leaving the default OBS bitrate at 2.5k. So please for the love of everything AV1, stop spewing nonsense about "saving money and better user experiences" when clearly, you're not seeing the whole picture and the current state we are at when it comes to devices being able to decode an actual AV1 LIVEstream. Keyword LIVE. Again not even Youtube "livestreams" in AV1 to the end user, I can stream to youtube at 1440p at 6k bitrate which is great for me, but since Youtube transcodes my AV1 ingested livestream to VP9, the end user is still using 12mbps+ to watch my 6mbps AV1 livestream to keep the quality. They only serve AV1 videos on select highly traffic'd videos that have been uploaded, not currently running LIVEstreams.

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    Nightcrawla commented  · 

    We know you guys (twitch) probably have alot of backend to deploy to enable av1 and to provide a pleasurable experience for all users, both creators and viewers alike, and all of us are here to help even if its internal testing for the time being to help bring this tech to light. Let us help you at least from an end user perspective. I wish you nothing but good luck in rolling this feature out. Its definitely a big change backend and frontend wise and not an easy one at that.

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    Nightcrawla commented  · 

    I second this. Would love the opportunity to do some early testing with twitch to help in ironing out any issues related to streaming with AV1 and viewing it as a live stream. Please make a way we can sign up and help with this.