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    VesperAkiiri commented  · 

    This may come across as a bit of a ramble, but I'm just letting my thoughts go out on this from what I know and what I've seen.

    If Twitch goes ahead with this complete slap in the face to the creative sphere, I will end up leaving Twitch and streaming elsewhere.

    I made my account 13 years ago and recently started to get back into streaming on a semi-regular basis as a way to unwind and just get away from all the GenAI misinformation plaguing social spaces globally, it was my escape from the day-to-day where I could experience true human made content from actual artists and enthusiasts.

    To suddenly find out that Twitch is seriously considering training AI models using peoples streams I find this absolutely abhorrent, and a middle finger to the artists, creators and teams that have made Twitch what it is today.

    Stop listening to the "TechBros" that claim this is the "future" of production, its not.

    The overall business for AI is in a state constant loss in the markets, there is no clear return and businesses who got in early are starting to realise this, to date none of the general-purpose "frontier" AI systems like ChatGPT, Claude or Gemini have made ANY profit since they were formed.

    A lot of the "AI Experts" that have been heavily pushing for AI adoption are doing so out of desperation to keep their failing business model from going under, despite the fact that companies like Microsoft are starting to realise this and are silently pulling away from typical GenAI into more locally run/hosted systems that are cheaper, use less resources (like Water or computer hardware) as this pivot moves towards a more sustainable method which isn't built on stolen work.

    To give an insight into this failing market, OpenAI has a predicted net loss of $13bn for 2026.

    Google recently raised its 2026 capital expenditures up to $205bn, which caused their free cash flow to turn negative for the first time since 2004.

    Given that Twitch has not actually returned a net profit since 2014, getting into the AI market would clearly bury the site and provide that final nail in the coffin, this idea would be Twitches undoing, especially since Amazon are performing a similar move as Microsoft by silently pulling away from the frontier GenAI models to more local systems, Twitches approach to this seems to contradict this move believing it would increase profits, but it wouldn't and is clearly not a feature people want.

    The aspect being ignored here is the growing market for traditional and human made content, if you go hard into marketing that you would find yourselves moving more and more into a dominant position again, where others who have adopted the AI stance have seen immense declines in their true market value.

    Listen to your userbase, because we're the ones using it and bringing attention to your product, ignoring us would just mean you're shooting yourself in the foot, there's plenty of others who can come around and build a streaming service using the same infrastructure as Twitch (just look at Kick).

    Youtube is gaining more traction for a streaming service, if they amended their livestreaming chats to reflect more like Twitch then I would not be surprised if there was a mass exodus to that platform instead.

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    Twitch responded

    Hi, thanks for flagging this and sharing your suggestion.

    We share and understand your concerns about how the intentional, repeated misuse of tags can undermine the purpose of the tags product itself.  Tags are an important discoverability feature for communities, and a powerful way for all Creators—but especially those that are underrepresented—to express their personal identity and creative vision for their content.

    We also do not feel Twitch should be the judge of Creators’ personal or creative identity, so we typically only enforce against the misuse of tags when it is associated with other behavior that violates our Community Guidelines such as hateful conduct or harassment.

    That said, as the VTuber community’s experience demonstrates, there are limitations to this approach and we are actively investigating additional steps we can take to protect and improve the integrity of the tags feature at scale, without infringing on good faith Creators’ personal choice…