Make a Deal with Music Licensing Companies
Have you considered making a deal with music licensing companies (BMI, ASCAP, etc) to allow streamers permission to use their catalogs if we opt to pay them (or you?) a small monthly fee for this right/service?
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OnigirisConPebre commented
taria güeno
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DaleCaro commented
as in other services, i mean all the streamers can opt to pay around $15usd monthly for get licenced music
in mexico the cost is around $200usd for INDAUTOR , maybe some of this organizations as ASCAP / BMI can be happy for get a "fair payment" from streamers
ej. $15usd x 1,000,000 Streamers = 15 mill month, im not sure if this is a bad "bussines" for the cited organizations
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djosofresh commented
To the folks who think its difficult to get liscencing permissionm i ask, how did Mixcloud do it? with a monthly fee of $15, you can stream without interruption and without any copyright issues... Their onlydrawbackis not beingable to save the video of your stream... yet... it's doable
side note: every artist or musician i know personally (in the hundreds) many with music selling worldwide have said they have no issues with DJs spinning their music live, but you cant give individual copyright permission and the muting on some random "we're playing it safe and muting this portion" ********. I know people who have gotten muted for playing their own music
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Pteraspidomorphi commented
There is a single industry association responsible for this mess - the RIAA. They're the ones using literal botnets to send thousands of strikes against content producers all over the internet. Since it's just one entity, I'm sure it's possible to reach a deal that's favorable to all parts. Compliance with the law for takedowns sent by smaller, less aggressive labels can be achieved in the normal manner.
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ThomasHarrell commented
The problem is that how the music industry collects and licenses music is a minefield. You cannot simply purchase a license for "all of Twitch to stream your music". If Twitch buys a license, it covers only a narrow circumstance. If a streamer on Twitch uses that music, well per the music industry they need a different type of license (and the cost of that is ridiculous). Their entire business model at this point seems to be based on how many people they can smash in court rather than being cooperative.
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ImpendingDuff commented
Can you please just pay the labels for licensing already? This is getting really old. The artists want us to play their music.
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busybyte commented
So many people would be so happy about this solution.
Twitch, copyright-holders, creators, audience, and most of the music-industry.
Most of us streamers and /or dj's are absolutely willing to pay for legal streaming, but there's still no option. -
Mavyre commented
Seems to be ongoing in France with the national pro
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micksdiscofever commented
I am new to Twitch as a Mobile DJ (weddings etc) which I found out is part of my Amazon Prime. I play music from 50's through to present day. Having no work at all since March and still no end in sight, I saw streaming as a way to keep my hand in, to keep contact through music with Family and Friends and my followers from Social media (200), and help these people through this pandemic therefore improving their health and well-being. Make no mistake about this metal health problems are going to be massive. I have spoken to public performance licenses who tell me I can stream through my own website (but would need a platform to do this - don't think I can use you?) and pay a fee of £70 (6 months) or £140 (12 Months). For me as an amatuer DJ a bit expensive with no income but I would pay it. I wasn't told I need to send PPL a playlist so my fee is just split between 1000's of record companies. When streaming through Facebook a few months ago (70 listening) I had a niece and husband sat in their hot tub with a glass of wine, enjoying music I have PAID for and with compilation CD's over the years have 2 or 3 copies of the same track. What good was I doing during lockdown to help them?How much more do these artists, record companies want?
I've got everything set up with you and people love my streams every few weeks but now the big boys are threatening us. Great!! We are ALL in unprecedented times. If DJ's are charging a subscription and have 1000's listening then could they not pay a slightly higher PPL licence if using copyrighted music but as there is already a licence in place with PPL. Why can't Twitch allow us to pay for a licence through you or give you are Licence number we have purchased and not be taken down. I will otherwise have to pay a fee x3 higher per month than your site to stream through my website with the correct PPL licence. When all I need is a licence and you're happy with 100 times less work with DMCA notification/Strikes, The record companies/Artist get their money and I am helping the mental health of friends and family. -
shanam commented
True
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VirtualNightclub commented
I have serious doubts that Mixcloud is legally licensed in the United States.
Either they have somehow secured agreements with every record label both domestic and foreign (which is very unlikely unless they have a team of full-time attorneys) or else they are operating under the U.S. Copyright Royalty Board statutory license and paying SoundExchange $500 per channel.
According to the SoundExchange site, it would appear to be the latter at first glance:
https://www.soundexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2018-Jan-Mar-Licensee-List.pdf
However, it raises the question how Mixcloud possibly offsets the annual $500 per channel license fee to SoundExchange with a meager $15 membership fee per broadcaster. Something about that arrangement isn't adding up.
What is really needed is a long-term solution for the entire industry, not a stopgap that is service-specific.
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QuiteRightRecords commented
Mixcloud did the dirty work for DJ mixes that were getting taken down everywhere else and has launched Mixcloud Live where you can livestream your sets and have an audio version after. Their biggest hurdle is storing the sets, but all of the copyright and licensing is done in their technology that they developed. Twitch should team with up with Mixcloud and work together to solve this issue especially in this changing landscape of music and streams.
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Alezoonta commented
I have the appropriate APRE local license to play protected music, stream online, post online videos with said content and there is no way to notify twitch. There should be a way to connect my license which i have paid handsomely for. Its ridiculous there arent any ways to tie it to my license and having to appeal 20-30 songs each VOD is painful. I have the right, why is it so hard.
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Rizotochaud commented
Well, Facebook Gaming did it for their partner streamers, and now they can freely use music from Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, Kobalt Music Group, BMG Publishing, Merlin... that makes a pretty large choice of popular artists.
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brykanst commented
use that ad revenue that you are forcing to "benefit" streamers to contact every label and make agreements with them greedy little *****
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VirtualNightclub commented
I have serious doubts that Mixcloud is legally licensed in the United States.
Either they have somehow secured agreements with every record label both domestic and foreign (which is very unlikely unless they have a team of full-time attorneys) or else they are operating under the U.S. Copyright Royalty Board statutory license and paying SoundExchange $500 per channel.
If it's the latter, then that raises the question how Mixcloud offsets the annual $500 per channel license fee to SoundExchange with a meager $15 membership fee per broadcaster. Something about that arrangement isn't adding up.
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VirtualNightclub commented
That's a lot easier said than done. it would require an army of lawyers to contact ever single record label both domestic and overseas to secure such rights -- and then to maintain such agreements for the foreseeable future. And even that doesn't account for the hundreds of thousands of indie and unsigned artists which would also need to be individually cleared.
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DJRebirth commented
I am a DJ and I pay Mixcloud $15 per month to livestream on their service. Paying this monthly fee entitles me to play copyrighted music in my DJ sets, which completely protects me from a DMCA takedown. The revenue which Mixcloud receives from my monthly payment directly compensates Performing Rights Organzations (such as BMI, SESAC, ASCAP, SOCAN, GMR) who then pay royalties to the artists & music labels. I believe Twitch should implement a "pay to play" model similar to this, which would effectively protect a streamer if they were to play copyrighted music during a livestream (or if it's present in a past/archived broadcast or a clip). Additionally if this system were to be implemented, a streamer should be identified on the front-end as "DMCA Safe" (with an additional back-end status that designates that they're protected if they play copyrighted music). The front-end designation would help inform viewers (and potentially anyone considering placing a DMCA takedown request) that the streamer is part of the copyrighted music program.
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MotionDesign commented
I currently have ASCAP, BMI and several other licenses to legitimately play music with my Twitch account listed as the platform. As a former radio station program director and on-air DJ, I've been involved with these issues for a long time. If there was a way where we could upload our licensing credentials to prove that we have legal rights to play these songs, that would resolve my anxiety doing DJ streams on the platform.
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ganso_tonto commented
Rather than mute or penalize streamers for streaming copyrighted content, license music from record labels so that streamers can legally stream the music.