Protect streamers by preventing any access to channel for banned users
This is not to take away from the improvements that have already been made, and are being implemented. The work that is being done is greatly appreciated.
However, further change is needed to better protect streamers for banned users. Merely preventing chatting is not enough to deter harassment, stalking, or intrusive bot behavior.
Most people are aware that measures often can be circumvented, that is not an excuse for the lack of protection that currently exists.
Streamers need a way to completely cut off a user from content. I believe the proposed measures are reasonable, and will also provide protection against abuse as well as preventing intrusive bots from squatting in channels without permission.
The proposed changes are:
1. A banned user is prevented from connecting to a channel's chat completely, which means their name does not appear in the list of viewers.
2. A banned user is prevented from viewing the stream itself, on site or using other means.
3. A banned user is blocked from subscribing and following, and will be automatically unsubscribed and / or unfollowed.
4. A banned user is prevented from viewing any other channel information and content, including the streamer's panels, VODs, clips, followers, and followed accounts.
5. A streamer must be able to toggle an option to treat logged out viewers similarly as a banned user, preventing any access until they log in.
Additionally, to prevent excessive account creation, the following measures should be implemented as well:
6. Accounts need to be verified by e-mail.
7. Limit the amount of accounts per e-mail, to 1 or at a maximum 2.
8. Limit the amount of accounts that can be created from a single IP address per day.
Thank you for your consideration.
If you have tuned into Patch Notes today, you may already be aware (but in case you missed it) we're looking to implement more changes suggested here soon. We will follow up with an update & more details. Stay tuned.
Consider making it so when an account is banned / blocked they can't access your channel URL so that they can't see your live streams & or follow you or send others in there community into your own live streams or other streamers channels you maybe hosting while watching & or a mod for to try directly or in-directly continue the harassment, bullying & or abuse as myself & others have experienced this being exploited as a way of trying to continue to do so with further abuse, bullying & or harassments including then going on to whispering other channel host as a way of trying to cause you to have to leave & be pushed out of these channel & communities or whispering hosts trying lose you mod privilege's due to knowing myself or others are active in these channel. I'm aware you can turn off share my actives but this doesn't stop some of the issues I've outlined & only hurts those being targeted further having to hide such information for what little it seems to do to stop this issue as they can still access most information needed straight from your channel URL page when hosting or live streaming even when banned or blocked.
HOW is this not already a feature? What's the point of banning someone from my channel if they can continue to view the content? What's the point of the mature filter if banning underage users doesn't prevent them from seeing the content I'm streaming?!
The “Partial Release” was in April, it’s September. What’s the status?
A bam should be a ban from viewing the creator and having any kind of access to the community.
A ban is a ban, enough said. Viewing privileges revoked, period.
Agreed. This would also help prevent Stream Sniping.
if twitch is worried about losing revenue as a counter to this idea, just make banned people see ads every 3 minutes if they still insist on watching the channel after being banned 🤷♂️
When accounts are banned, they should not be able to see the stream at all. This is dangerous because stalkers can still view streamers. Many streamers agree that when an account is banned, they don't want them to have ANY ability to interact with their stream, even if it's just viewing it. Banned should mean banned from all.
Also giving mod tools to confirm a raid when it's someone we don't know so we can see what's going on or more protection when hate raids happen?
If you are banned from a channel, that's what it should mean. It shouldn't mean that you can see the stream or the people watching it. It should mean that streamer doesn't exist to you at all. There shouldn't be any of this appealing your ban. You were banned from the channel for a good and valid reason. People have circumvented their bans from channels and have gone onto further harass streamers or their viewers through whispers or other means. They have also gone onto have their friends join in on these harassments. If someone is banned, then make it STAY that way unless the streamer and their mod team decides to reverse the ban on their own. None of this trying to appeal your ban. The moderators and the streamer banned the viewer/user and they know why they did. For the safety and sanity of users on twitch, remove the appeal feature and make it so if someone is banned from a channel, THE CHANNEL DOES NOT EXIST TO THEM AT ALL.
Banned users who harass me should not be able to view my content. I do not want these people watching my streams.
Also prevent them from being able to follow. A lot of the bots lately are still following (with all following event triggers) even though they're already banned in channels.
I am a mod of a mature channel and have been on Twitch for a few years now.
It is clearly stated in the rules that it is a mature audience and also clearly marked when you come into the channel. I have had to kick out people as young as 11.
I just recently found out that banning them still allows them to watch the stream. Last night I kicked out a 14yr old for breaking the rules but it's not good if they can still watch the streams.
I believe there is hardly a point in banning them if they can still hear and read the chat. I think that they should be unable to watch/chat/interact/ everything.
It would be safer all around.
When a user is banned from a channel, in addition to being unable to engage with chat, they are shown nothing but Twitch ads in that channel.
This would prevent abuse via sharing or clipping moments to use as harassment on other platforms, dissuade them from staying in the channel at all, and deliver additional revenue to the streamer and Twitch.
Similar to blocking users on other platforms, they would see nothing at all. Leveraging "ads are a necessary evil" for good means that at least a streamer might be compensated via ad revenue for having to manage and deal with abuse.
Then it would be the same as is on Twitter. Can't see the tweets because you got blocked? Open a new private tab, go to the page, done.
Though it requires some changes, from a technical point of view it shouldn't be too hard to archieve:
1. make streams non available publicly
The technic behind that already exists for sub-only streams.
2. give non-blacklisted people access to the stream
Also quite similar to the sub-only stream feature, the technic already exists. You just have to take the banned chatters list into account.
Basically it's 1 more flag and some more checks for that flag plus the blacklist.
@Eewec People are able to make unban requests already.
This also means that anyone banned due to a moderation miss-click (happened earlier to someone due to the moderator not clicking the correct name) would be unable to appeal if no one noticed the wrong person got banned.
d4rkfader You are kind of hijacking a thread about permanently removing banned people from watching a stream by talking about removing perma-bans from Twitch. If someone bans you they probably don't want your support anymore (both financially and as a viewer).
And I am unsure what you mean by "read-only chat"? You can already view chat without being logged in and sub only mode doesn't stop you from seeing chat? If anything, we need "followers for X amount of time" chat restriction to expand to "can only see other's chat messages after following for X amount of time".
I got banned from two streamers because of a two-strike rule (like mentioning other VTubers) breaking on one of the associated Discord servers. These kind of moderators of course flat-out rejected the appeal too and forever banned as such. Even a week or month would be better than forever. And add a way to stay subscribed and add silent support options. And read-only chat.
Banning as it is now is too harsh. Also, I had gifted subs to others for both of the channels, but I can’t give any more support because of the ban.
This would mean also people that are not logged it shouldn’t be able to view it. Also, some moderators place preventive bans on every channel you may be on if you break the rules on Discord for example. It’d be rather harsh imho to block all viewing.