Bad Raid Requirements
I just noticed the recent changes to people setting raids after a stream how the requirement is now pushed to minimum of 5 viewers and over. I have to say this in REALLY bad, because this hurts smaller streamers who might not have that many viewers watching their channel, only to see their own raids turn into hosts instead. This essentially cripples streamers ability to be noticed when they raid someone after finishing a stream, it was already bad enough when you crippled it so that people can't raid/host channels from 1 viewer, which is fine I guess, but to change the requirement to 5 viewers is bad overall.
I want to recognise the people who raid into me even if their viewership isn't that big, I don't want to see someone just show up as a host to my streams when they set a raid. it just makes their raids seem less significant. This is something that needs to be reverted to how it was before.
I keep seeing stupid changes like these being made on Twitch that make no sense at all without any careful consideration of what it ends up doing to streamers as a result. Case in point like how you were gonna force mid-roll ads on streams, and immediately people pointed out how bad that is.
Hey guys! We really appreciate the feedback that has been brought forth in this thread and just wanted to update you a little bit on what is going on.
This change was originally made to guard against raid bot attacks. While smaller raids are currently viewable in activity feed in the dashboard, we are working on a solution that treats raids equally while guarding against abuse tactics.
My major issue with this is; why? Why change it? Why not give streamers individual restrictions for their own channel than simply strip away the legitimacy of smaller, growing channels? Twitch has insulted the community with this move.
The streamer should be able to set their own channel's raid requirements
Yesterday i was so happy that igot my first raid, sad to see that if it as today, it wouldnt count
Us smaller channels wanna show our appreciation by wanting to raid bigger channels and show they're worth raiding! LET US RAID WITH LESS THAN 5 PEOPLE!
Leave the decision is the streamers hands
I get it. Big streamers don't want raid alerts from tiny groups. So put in a numerical option on what size triggers the alert with the default being 1.
As a small variety twitch streamer, it's extremely unfair to get any raids. Twitch, be considerate and recognize small streamers.
I don’t think this is fair for us smaller streamers. Especially trying to help smaller streamer than my own channel. We need to grow together and help each other to reach our dreams.
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Twitch, what's the point of having this functionality if you're not going to listen to your users?
As a small streamer, this is really ******* me and many of my friends, who are also small streamers. Doing this hurts me because if I am raiding someone new they don't get notified and won't then thank me and my raiders for coming meaning I don't get promoted to a potential new audience. And when my friends try to raid me and their number is small then I don't see them necessarily and can't advertise them my viewers. How are smaller channels supposed to get bigger if one of main networking tools has been taken away from us?
Yes, let the streamer/mods decide if they want to allow smaller raids or not. This 5 viewer minimum only hurts small streamers and does not affect big streamers at all. If someone with 3 viewers gets raided by 3 viewers, their viewership has now doubled. It's exciting for them even though the raid was small.
They're not just numbers, they're human beings. If I get raided by two people, that's two people who have decided that I'm cool enough to hang out with. That's two people I can chat with and have a great time with, two people I can welcome into my own community and share experiences with, two people I can get to know. I love small raids, they're super personal and perfect for helping build communities. Literally every streamer started with one viewer, and Twitch filtering out small raids is totally invalidating of small streamers.
Come on, Twitch! You're all about "community" but 2-5 people IS a community! Your "About" section literally says "Bring your passions; we’ll help you build a community around them," but you're doing the opposite of that.
"viewer counts don't matter"
'suspends raid alert for less than 5 viewers'
Idiots be aware of your own platform for once
This is true. I understand people can abuse the raids and spam channels with raid alerts, but honestly it hurts up coming streamers too much.
If you want to combat raid spam, then just only show alerts for small raid parties that have had a stream running for >60 minutes. It will effectively stop spam, and still allow smaller streamers to get recognition they deserve.
Every content creator has to start somewhere, and the community at large wants to build each other up.
Kindly stop taking actions that break the community down.
Looking at people as numbers is one of the things this platform has been getting wrong lately. Lurkers are the life blood of Twitch and people in raids and hosts increase the likelihood of more time on the platform because they form community bonds with other streamers.
Recently Twitch may have pushed an update so that raid alerts only activate if there are at least 5 people in the raid. People only learnt about this after a streamer sent a support ticket in about the issue for their own channel, and was responded with "You will need more viewers for the notification to be sent out." On top of this, they may have also pushed an update that ignores hosts of 1 person in the past. Since we only have a mans word and a few pictures to work with, there's no guarantee that this is a real update. However, if these changes are real and pushed without our knowledge, both of them need to be reverted.
Why was this changed in the first place? Raiding is a way of saying "Thank you for joining me, lets go watch this person now that I'm done my stream". It's an invitation for people to meet someone new, usually someone the streamer is friends or a fan of. Many streamers have events that happen when they are raided, such as a thank-you song or a daily conversation question. Most of the twitch community that streams usually raid with less than 10 viewers, and missing out on any raid notification means the streamer can't thank or invite viewers for joining, since there's no way for them to know. Without small raids showing up, it leaves a lot of our community unable to grow their own communities!
What about larger streamers that get dozens of small raids and hosts in a single stream? Well, they've already had ways to get around this issue for many years! Most streaming alert applications such as the ones used through Streamlabs and StreamElements systems have a built-in minimum host/raid system so that users can set their own minimum raid/host amount for alerts to be played. There are also custom alert settings, so people could use different alerts for a different amount of raiders. If streamers never wanted an alert to pop up, the can just get rid of it on their own!
Instead of taking away an ability that was controllable and diverse, why not upgrade it for the larger streamers who do want their activity feed & dashboard cleaner & more manageable? Twitch could add a system to the activity feed on everyone's dashboard that could filter out any unnecessary alerts, and add a filter for minimum number of viewers in a raid or host! Any alerts that "would" have gone through could then be sent to a filtered activity feed, so if need be streamers can check and see what was taken off of their main feed.
Forcing a minimum number for smaller raids affects smaller streamers the most, affiliated or not, and larger streamers already have ways to set their own raid & host alerts to a minimum amount. This was never a major issue, and already had it's workarounds for the people that needed it. We want you to remove minimum raid & host alerts and stop hiding the small streams that are sending their viewers to someone new. This is not what helps build a community, it keeps the people on top up there, and hurts the smaller streamers trying to grow.
There are several streamers I watch that struggle to make it past a handfull of viewers. It needs to be reverted back.
Totally Agree! tons of us smaller guys always raid others in our communities to help out, we count too!!!!
This is just normal for Twitch suppressing smaller streamers and communities. To them, you don't matter until you make them more money.