Bad Raid Requirements
I just noticed the recent changes to people setting raids after a stream how the requirement is now pushed to minimum of 5 viewers and over. I have to say this in REALLY bad, because this hurts smaller streamers who might not have that many viewers watching their channel, only to see their own raids turn into hosts instead. This essentially cripples streamers ability to be noticed when they raid someone after finishing a stream, it was already bad enough when you crippled it so that people can't raid/host channels from 1 viewer, which is fine I guess, but to change the requirement to 5 viewers is bad overall.
I want to recognise the people who raid into me even if their viewership isn't that big, I don't want to see someone just show up as a host to my streams when they set a raid. it just makes their raids seem less significant. This is something that needs to be reverted to how it was before.
I keep seeing stupid changes like these being made on Twitch that make no sense at all without any careful consideration of what it ends up doing to streamers as a result. Case in point like how you were gonna force mid-roll ads on streams, and immediately people pointed out how bad that is.
Hey guys! We really appreciate the feedback that has been brought forth in this thread and just wanted to update you a little bit on what is going on.
This change was originally made to guard against raid bot attacks. While smaller raids are currently viewable in activity feed in the dashboard, we are working on a solution that treats raids equally while guarding against abuse tactics.
Such a bad idea. Streamers like me will be hurt. I get 1/2 viewers and is nice even if someone raids you with 2 viewers.
For someone who runs a Gaming community along with a discord sever that fully supports other streams, some raids we do may have small numbers because of timezone or time of day. Any of my streamers would love and appreciate a raid for 2 people anything to 100000 people. A raid is a raid, its deserves to be pointed out to the streamer and it makes them feel good.
You cant take away form small streamers what makes them carry on.
There are a lot of comments here that are super cringe, but I have to agree that this API nerf seems pointless. Whether you use Streamlabs or Stream Elements (or perhaps there are others) there are ways through those services for the streamer to dictate what does or does not trigger an alert. There is simply no logical reason for Twitch to be intervening in this process.
This is very unfair for smaller streams. We don't all have 3,000 viewers or even 10 at times. All communities should matter!
Very annoying, I love to raid streamers who I love to watch, because I want to share that with my viewers. However, I average 2-3 viewers per stream, so no notification means they don't feel the love.
Small streams need love too, and an army of followers is built one loyal person at a time. #AllRaidsMatter
There's just no reason to do this. If larger streams want to have the option to turn off notification for raids under a certain size, sure, give them the option to do that if they feel it is best for their stream. Most people are not going to do that! For the vast majority, streamers understand that community, networking, supporting each other, are the best ways to grow both for large and small streams. You're taking the option out of our hands to run our stream how we want to. That's going to push people away.
This is ridiculous and is absolutely going to kill small time streamers and make it incredibly difficult to grow as well as show support for others. A lot of times that raid of 4 literally doubles my viewer count, and a number 2-3 person raids can add up and those streamers that bring them I want to acknowledge and get my viewers and the ones from other raids following them as well. I understand the technical reason but this is an area that tech needs to submit to design, or work for a better solution that doesn't harm the end user. For example, why not allow streamers to set raid notification limits on the channel level, similar to the streamlabs alert box limit?
My partner and I have been on twitch as active users for many years, countless subscriptions and enjoyment of big and small streamers. My spouse started streaming barely a week and a half ago, then I started not long after. My spouse already hit affiliate and is averaging 8+ viewers since the start. We've continually seen this issue with raids and its very upsetting, we've formed a tight bond with a lot of other small and new streamers and sometimes those raids are under 5 and get lost, no one knew what was going on. With the raided channel often having to apologize and toss it up to "Twitch has been weird lately" while the raiders have to worry they did something wrong or aren't getting noticed. How is this supposed to help a new streamer grow? I want to acknowledge anyone who raids my stream, and all those I've met feel the same way. This seems like a negligent way to optimize server raid calls when you're hindering new and wonderful people from gaining a foundation. Causing confusion, and essentially dividing the big from the small. This absolutely needs to be called out and addressed.
this literally happened to me. I sent a raid of about 3-4 people to someone else and it didn't show up, and both I and the streamer were very confused. I was also a little upset that it "glitched", but now I'm more upset that this was changed on purpose! how are small streamers like myself supposed to help & be helped by other small streamers??? SO not user friendly...
How many Sigz do you need?
esto es realmente injusto
It feels HORRIBLE to be on the receiving end of a raid and miss it because Twitch decided <5 isn't "good enough".
I've had small raids like that and the streamers think it either didn't work or it's my fault. That's awful for them, and I feel guilty too.
The most important issue here? People make friends through raids, no matter the size. I've made great friends through even 2-3 person raids. The ability to make connections like that is being taken away, and during a global pandemic where a LOT of people are relying on online interactions as their way to socialize.
Twitch didn't take into consideration the impact this change could have on smaller streamers' mental health.
The idea and execution that Twitch thinks that it is alright to disable all Raids/Host showing up if they had less than 5 viewers going to raid is ludicrous. There are 4 million Twitch Streamers. All of which support Twitch and put more money in their pockets but, they (Twitch) only care for those who are Partnered. Out of that 4 million that's roughly 250,000 streamers.
For the rest of the 3.8 million streamers, they are neglected by Twitch. Just because they aren't bringing in thousands or millions into the business does not mean they don't matter. How incredibly disheartening is it when you take the active decision to raid another content creator similar to you and it doesn't even show up in the stream in the alert box. It discourages the streamers and viewers to support a platform that does not support it's large majority of traffic.
Twitch, I believe, have already implemented a function where you can turn off raid alerts and host alerts if you are being botted in any of these functions. Their excuse of "bots" isn't viable. Botting channels tend to happen to bigger streamers who inevitably have that function enabled so it doesn't affect them. Should it happen to a "smaller" streamer then they also have that function ready at hand to use. Twitch are just looking for excuses to not support the same people who support them and keep them in their business.
There is no real, exceptional and understandable reason to turn off raid and host alerts for streamers who bring under 5 viewers. ANY SUPPORT NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL IS STILL SUPPORT.
Why should I keep raiding if system doesn't alert my raids? And to have the one being raided feel very bad for no alert? I need to announce that I raided. It doesn't fix anything. It only hurts people. I feel bad to even raid anymore and it makes me feel sad and unrewarding if I don't get lots of views as a new streamer. :C
Why was this even made a thing in the first place? Please for the love of god revert this
If someone wants to raid my stream with <5 people, why should it not trigger events?? Likewise in reverse. Twitch, please stop trying to shoot small streamers(and yourserls in turn) in the foot.
Yeah this is an absolutely garbage Idea. I agree with users suggestion on here. make it optional feature that you can set if you like. This is just a douche move that hurts a community for sound or logical reason
This will hurt small streamers trying to build a community with other small streamers.
rollback this """"""feature"""""" pls, this only hurts streamers and Twitch´s platform