Laut der SUISA (Schweiz) ist man schon vor einer Einigung, ähnlich wie auf MIXCLOUD ein System zu nutzen?

Es müsste doch für Musikliebhaber auf allen Seiten möglich sein eine Lösung zu finden, dabei wäre eine "Premium Funktion" doch sinnvoll. Wer Musik nutzen möchte, zahlt monatlich einen Beitrag mehr, also der Nutzende und der Konsumierende. Davon profitieren alle, auf Mixcloud funktioniert dies einwandfrei.

Aber wie ist das? Ich sende 1x monatlich aus einem offiziellen Radio Studio, das Lizenzen bezahlt, sprich also auch meine Sendung. Sollte ich ja keine Strikes erhalten?

Gebt DJs bitte auch eine Plattform.... wir brauchen euch und ihr braucht uns! Vor allem jetzt in dieser schweren Zeit blutet unser Musikherz!

Voila ça fait un moment que je vois beaucoup de streameur justifier le fait de passer l’accès de la rediffusion de leur live uniquement a leur abonné a cause du robot qui strike leur vidéo

Ils expliquent que ce robot ne passe que sur les rediffusion public et que donc, de ce fait ils sont obligé de restreindre leur accès pour éviter de se faire attraper par le robot en cas de DMCA

Et forcément quand tu commence a avoir une dizaine de streameur qui utilise cette pratique, tes capacité de rester sur Twitch baisse car l'abonnement a chaque chaîne commence a coûter très chère, au profit d'autre site de streaming ou ils reposteront leur live, j'ai l'impression qu'on va vers une généralisation de ce procédé, l'abonnement comme obligation pour avoir accès au rediffusion

Ma proposition serait donc de faire passer le robot également sur les vidéos qui ne sont accessible qu'aux abonné, les traiter comme une vidéo public (A défaut j'imagine de pouvoir retirer le robot) pour éviter que tout les streameur soit tentés de passer a ce modèle pour ce protéger, si aujourd'hui la gratuité de twitch ne dépendait que du live, mais que le contenus de rediffusion lui serait payant je ne sais pas si ça serait si bénéfique pour le site

Hello The idea is in general ,
You as a company could turn this around in a bigger picture ,
here is how you go about this Pitch the idea of using Twitch / Amazon as new way to drive sales for Record labels .
How it would work ,
Twitch gets a new part of the UI/UX where the music played in the stream this would be basically be literally a piece of the UX UI that would link to the store where the user could buy 1 song the whole albums , CDs , Vinil, etc .
why is this an approach if a viewer likes the music and they hear it on a contents creators stream they are more inclined to buy , if you manage to figure out how to provide part of the cut to Partners and affiliates even better .
Record labels get a cut , Twitch gets a cut , creators get a cut . win win win . additionally if you can manage some how a way how content creators can purchase this music at a discount its the biggest win situation .
Record labels get Advertisement for free get money from sales , Twitch partners up with labels , and creators can earn a small bit of the pie. and in the end i am sure you can figure out also how to push it more in to sales like you can pick out partners that can do advertisement for new records if they get published . Think about it

First off Twitch, you are very wrong if you think that I or many other affiliate streamers who receive zero exposure from your algorithms are worried about DMCA. Maybe the big streamers are more easily influenced by their contractual obligations, but not the rest of the community who make no profit or gain by streaming on your platform.

Secondly, let's start off with a little about the music industry and licensing itself. As a founder and operator of an online radio station, I have paid alone in licensing/royalties over 8 years close to $10,000. I am a firm believer that musicians and songwriters should be paid. Sadly enough, only a very tiny percentage of that money paid in to licensing gets to the songwriters and musicians. Ask any musician in Nashville trying to break into the industry and they will tell you they make less than $2/month. Why is licensing a radio station important? If you are using someone else's music for a profit or gain, it's very important to have a license and pay royalties. The more profit you make, the more royalties you pay. This is how to avoid copyright infringement and to be fair. I'm stating some of the obvious here for a reason. The Twitch Streaming platform is a bit different from a radio station. The platform is not a radio station itself. The content on Twitch varies majorly, from artwork to gaming, to IRL Chat, to DJs playing music. Your email had an interesting bit of information that over 99% of the notifications were for music in the background playing. Why is that? This should be a clear indicator while there are some streamers that play music/DJ/compose as part of their stream, most streamers do not focus on music as the centerpiece of their streams for profit hence 99% "in the background". When you watch streams and see subs and donations, the comments associated with the subs and donations say it all. They go to the streamer for THEIR time and content, whether it be painting pictures, playing their viewers favorite game, etc. The background music has no relevance in their success and profitability. The whole point of DMCA was to combat copyright infringement, the process of taking someone else's work and using it for profit or gain. Why are YOU TWITCH worried about DMCA? Do you think we are dumb to believe that "you were surprised" that this sudden increase in May had anything to do with Covid and the move from real world to virtual and increase in streaming?

Third, while other platforms saw a significant increase during Covid-19, your viewership while having a short incline is now falling for most streamers. You've lost streamers to other platforms. Don't think we streamers and viewers did not see this. Your platform is simply becoming less beneficial to most people whether streamers or viewers. Your insistent forcing of commercials by spending time, money, and resources to thwart viewers ad-blocking technology is driving your viewers away but you don't even bother to stop the constant harassing of bots in our chatrooms begging us to buy follows for our channels. When the viewers go away, so does the revenue for the bigger streamers. The bigger streamers then move to another platform. You also consistently ban hard working streamers with double standards in your rules, allowing other streamers who break the same rules a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th chance. You appoint a board with members who have serious mental issues. So again, tell me why you think we are worrying again?

You may want to rethink your strategy and work hard to secure an agreement with the labels and entities filing DMCA takedowns to lay off the 99% of the streamers not profiting from music in their streams, or there will be legal action against the PROs and entities who only pay a majority of starving musicians less than $2/month in the billions of dollars royalties they [record labels and any other entity filing DMCA takedowns] collect. Don't believe me?? Ask any starving musician in Nashville.

Twitch, you better figure out which side of the fence you want to be on because this is going to end badly for someone, and it won't be the streamers. That's not an idea. That's a promise.

[Edit: "they" = the record labels and organizations filing the DMCA takedowns]

Most game's have licensed music like RDR2 or other games that have music imbedded in at the start middle or otherwise in the game, being muted or getting a strike or muted because of in-game music is a bit wrong when it's outta the streamers hand's no matter how much we minimize thing's like that do happen!! Take a step back for a bit and make sure it's worth a copy right strike!! Those of us that stream the game with no music except for what we can't help during the game shouldn't have to worry about being banned or getting a strike!! We do not intend to break the law's or rules we just play the game and have fun and enjoy chat!!

Not so much an idea, but I and dozens of my DJ friends only signed up with Twitch, because we're all out of work from the pandemic, and livestreaming DJ sets was our only outlet at this time. We don't even really make any profit, short of a few bucks from donations. This is mainly for therapy.

And most of the DJ's I know, don't even play mainstream/top 40 music in our sets. Is there any other legal options, besides doing private Zoom parties, or signing up for a premium Mixcloud account for us? I've been doing a weekly Sunday stream of obscure 80's Japanese music, and I've never had any kind of warning emails. This is all news to me.

With the vast diversity of streamers ranging from young to old, professional to casual, Twitch needs to assign an expert to review the various EULAs for the games streaming on Twitch. This would provide more efficient, consistent, and helpful EULA interpretation, and it would enable mechanisms for Twitch and game companies to resolve problems with EULAs and potential DMCA issues quickly and efficiently.

Twitch should have one point person (or small team) review legal documents such as EULAs and identify key points relevant to streamers. They should then communicate those points to streamers and build additional relevant safeguards into Twitch (such as having a pop-up warning to streamers identifying potential DMCA problems when streaming a particular game, or building in other safeguards).

In addition, when the Twitch DMCA expert identifies problematic language in particular EULAs, Twitch can then reach out to these companies to try to resolve problems behind the scenes rather than expecting or relying on individual streamers to take that responsibility.

Context: In the DMCA email today from Twitch, "Music-Related Copyright Claims and Twitch" (2020-11-11), Twitch suggested the following:

"[W]e recommend you review their End User License Agreements (that wall of text at the beginning of a game) to see how the terms cover streaming with that music. One way to do this is to search for a game’s official EULA online and then do a ctrl+f (Command+f on Mac) search for words like “stream,” “licensed,” and “music” to point you toward the correct sections. If you’re unsure about the rights, some games allow you to turn off music when streaming, or you can mute the game audio yourself. If neither of those apply, consider turning off VODs and Clips."

To ask each end user to review the "wall of text" and expect consistent and accurate interpretations from all streamers seems a bit ridiculous.

Twitch: Stand up for your content creators. Use the power of your corporation to do the right thing; don't rely on individual streamers to get it right.

I feel like this should have been a given from the start, but apparently not.

WHEN YOU SEND OUT THE INFRINGEMENT NOTIFICATIONS TWITCH, PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE INFRINGEMENT.

Don't just give us "information about the allegedly infringed work, who the claimant is, how the claimant can be contacted, and possible penalties under our repeat infringer policy", give us NOT ONLY names and links to affected clips and VODs, but also TIMESTAMPS FOR EACH INFRINGEMENT.

This information would provide users with a better ability to not only find the content that was allegedly infringed upon, but would allow users to dispute incorrect claims more efficiently because we all know that robots, while correct some portion of the time, are not perfect, and people will take advantage of any inconsistencies they can find within the system to create false claims for streamers they may not like.

I have a problem with the above mentioned article in Creator Camp.

It offers the suggestion to delete all clips if you aren't able to find a clip that might.... MIGHT be infringing on copyright.

Let's say that I am someone who has been streaming on Twitch for a number of years and that my community (to the best of their knowledge) has not been deliberately clipping moments from my stream that infringe copyright.

Suddenly, I get a warning that some piece of my content has infringed copyright and that the offending item has been deleted. I don't get any information about which item was deleted, nor which copyright was infringed.

So, as the article in Creator Camp says, to be 100% safe from getting a copyright strike, I must either review every individual clip, upload, highlight or VOD on my channel for content which might infringe copyright.

Or, I have to delete all clips, uploads, highlights and VODs. I'll call this 'the nuclear option' because that's what it is - I lose all of my content, and I'm still not sure if any of that content was infringing.

First of all, it's really bad that we as creators need to have 'the nuclear option' in the first place. If there was some kind of log which indicated which item was deleted after a scan by a bot and the copyright that the item was infringing, then we would at least have some idea of what to listen for.

Secondly, the only other recourse creators have is to download their clips and then delete. This is also bad. If my average clip is 30 seconds long and takes up 8130KB, and I have 57 clips, that's a cool 463MB to download right there. That's not too bad, right? I can fit that on a flash drive and have lot of room left over. Oh, but what if instead I had 8000 clips instead? That's a reasonable number for a productive creator, right? And that's only 65GB to download. That's not bigger than a lot of GAME INSTALLS, right?

So you see, creators on Twitch have two really bad options for managing their content to make sure it's free of infringing content. The second of which, while preserving memories from years of streaming, also eats a lot of disk space and temporarily uses up bandwidth and server CPUs that Twitch could be using for better things.

While the article accurately presents the options currently available to Twitch creators, these should not be the only options available and there are several concert halls worth of room for improvement on Twitch's part. The article should be changed to reflect this fact.