Bad Raid Requirements
I just noticed the recent changes to people setting raids after a stream how the requirement is now pushed to minimum of 5 viewers and over. I have to say this in REALLY bad, because this hurts smaller streamers who might not have that many viewers watching their channel, only to see their own raids turn into hosts instead. This essentially cripples streamers ability to be noticed when they raid someone after finishing a stream, it was already bad enough when you crippled it so that people can't raid/host channels from 1 viewer, which is fine I guess, but to change the requirement to 5 viewers is bad overall.
I want to recognise the people who raid into me even if their viewership isn't that big, I don't want to see someone just show up as a host to my streams when they set a raid. it just makes their raids seem less significant. This is something that needs to be reverted to how it was before.
I keep seeing stupid changes like these being made on Twitch that make no sense at all without any careful consideration of what it ends up doing to streamers as a result. Case in point like how you were gonna force mid-roll ads on streams, and immediately people pointed out how bad that is.
Hey guys! We really appreciate the feedback that has been brought forth in this thread and just wanted to update you a little bit on what is going on.
This change was originally made to guard against raid bot attacks. While smaller raids are currently viewable in activity feed in the dashboard, we are working on a solution that treats raids equally while guarding against abuse tactics.
I 100% agree with this. It makes it hard as a small streamer.
As a super tiny streamer I completely agree. My wife usually only has two or three viewers when she raids me and vice versa. Why are we being treated as less important than huge streamers?
As a smaller streamer I feel like this is horrible. You are working so hard to put yourself out there and when you raid....even if it is with one person, it should be counted as such, not a Host with one viewer. That doesn't tell the person you raided that is why you came over. And I feel like that makes the streamer look stupid when you are typing in their chat that you raided but the notification says you hosted them. Bad business call.
As a small streamer ANY RAID IS WELCOMED! We LOVE raids! Even if its small, its the gesture that someone went through the hoops to raid YOU, they brought their community and their viewers to YOU because for one reason or another, your energy brought them in, and it truly means so much to me when it happens. I love being able to thank those who interact with my stream and if I can't see it and thank the person, I just feel awful about that.
Really makes you wonder if Twitch actually gives a **** about their streamers, because they seem to really be going out of their way to ********* over lately.
They make decisions without asking their community first. What's your game Twitch?
I guess I just don't see the point in this? Why is Twitch changing this to even be a thing? It seems like a waste of time and like it's clearly just going to upset creators who are small and trying to raid friends and creators who might be a little bigger with small friends raiding them.
When someone raids me whether it's 1 viewer or 100 viewers I want to thank them and have a conversation with them about their stream they just finished.
Completely defeats the purpose of a community-building feature.
At least one of the streamers this move was supposedly made to protect handed Twitch a better solution, allow streamers to set a threshold themselves so that if they're being targeted by bots they can defend against it, without hurting those that aren't. Not to mention if the harassing bot creators are willing to make two bot accounts to spam raids, they'll just up it over 5 or whatever the threshold is, especially if it's a global flat amount. Further complicating the issue is that I certainly didn't receive any notification of this change, nor has anyone else I've spoken with, this really is the kind of thing people should at least know about so they're not throwing out raids and having them be pointless.
Agreed. This is discourages smaller channels from raiding and takes away all streamers' ability to recognize raids in the way they choose. Please put more consideration for the entire Twitch community (rather than just partners with large channels) into decisions moving forward - recent updates have been showing a deeply concerning disregard for the smaller communities on Twitch.
Destroys smaller streamers like myself and multiple other streamers that I support. Bad move on Twitch’s part.
This is a very stupid change. It just hurts much smaller streamers, like myself, who are lucky if they break 5 viewers a stream.
This literally destroys tons of smaller streamers working to share the support and love... If you desire the ability to limit notification limits then put it as a channel option and allow it to be 0 = any or a set value for a minimum alert threshold... would handle the problem and not impact those that feel this is a complete waste of time making such a change.
Anyone that raids my channel is welcome and deserves to be recognized. The impact of this decision disproportionately impacts new streamers and smaller communities. If Twitch cares about building online communities, this decision goes directly against that stated goal. This policy needs to be reversed. Or, at the very least, streamers should be given the ability to toggle this on or off.
Co-signed. Allowing large streamers to set a higher threshold to prevent spam is fine, but this breaks things that were working fine for a broad portion of the community.
Why would you implement a rule that hurts so many people knowing full well that your doing it. Complete ********.
It’s obvious they don’t care about any streamer that ain’t “partnered” just a bunch of stupid new **** to hurt small streamers and a bunch of crooks that won’t change it cause like I mention twitch don’t care unless you’re “partnered”
Twitch reply to a user saying this intentional.
This wasn’t me, so I’m saying this as a third party:
I hope they change this! It’s incredibly unfair!
All raids should count since there's an achievement called "Raiding Party" for "Raiding 100 times with 2 or more raiders" - what's the point anymore?
As something that was always a manual "If you want to ....you can change it" type of thing, i didn't feel like it was very necessary to change it around and have it auto-forced. As a smaller streamer, I do like raiding other people even with a low view count and they'd like to know that I've actually raided them instead of seeing my raid copy pasta message and being confused as to why they haven't seen anything and then feeling sorry for me and apologizing for something completely out of their control. My point is....Change it back, if anyone wanted it changed they can always do it manually...
This is horrible, why would they change this. Small streamers love the small raids, and the raiders feel good by doing it. This will damage the small streamer community