Bad Raid Requirements
I just noticed the recent changes to people setting raids after a stream how the requirement is now pushed to minimum of 5 viewers and over. I have to say this in REALLY bad, because this hurts smaller streamers who might not have that many viewers watching their channel, only to see their own raids turn into hosts instead. This essentially cripples streamers ability to be noticed when they raid someone after finishing a stream, it was already bad enough when you crippled it so that people can't raid/host channels from 1 viewer, which is fine I guess, but to change the requirement to 5 viewers is bad overall.
I want to recognise the people who raid into me even if their viewership isn't that big, I don't want to see someone just show up as a host to my streams when they set a raid. it just makes their raids seem less significant. This is something that needs to be reverted to how it was before.
I keep seeing stupid changes like these being made on Twitch that make no sense at all without any careful consideration of what it ends up doing to streamers as a result. Case in point like how you were gonna force mid-roll ads on streams, and immediately people pointed out how bad that is.
TheAlkaris
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Admindowski
(Admin, Twitch)
responded
Hey guys! We really appreciate the feedback that has been brought forth in this thread and just wanted to update you a little bit on what is going on.
This change was originally made to guard against raid bot attacks. While smaller raids are currently viewable in activity feed in the dashboard, we are working on a solution that treats raids equally while guarding against abuse tactics.
https://twitter.com/TwitchSupport/status/1313975539682684929
134 comments
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saphaianefertiti
commented
This is one of those where "Don't fix what isn't broken". Previously it was fine. It allowed smaller streamers to be noticed. I have a few good friends that streams regularly and regularly get small number of viewers. This is going to hurt them, and I don't like it. Please reconsider this.
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heatblayze
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What does it matter when most people use on-screen alerts which can be customised based on the count!!! I dont think I've ever seen a streamer complain about this and if I do I would not watch them. Showing more people my stream matters even if it's just to 1 new person. I feel so honoured every time I get a raid.
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RobertFord9999
commented
this change is stupid. just leave things alone. you guys don't have anything better to do at twitch?
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Clumsy_Notes
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no streamer should ever feel as if "theyre not enough" or "their community doesnt matter" or them giving the LARGEST HONOR of passing their treasured community to an entirley different person is "worthless" because its "not good/big enough"
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Clumsy_Notes
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any person, no matter how small should be given the honor of an alert no matter how small the community.... ANY COMMUNITY IS A COMMUNITY WORTHY OF BEING RECOGNIZED.........
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CaptainAmeriCassie
commented
Extremely unfair towards smaller streamers. Awful feature
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AilunaYuki
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It's unfair for us smol streamers trying to support our friends in the community. Please change it back to how it was.
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RogueBxtch
commented
My major issue with this is; why? Why change it? Why not give streamers individual restrictions for their own channel than simply strip away the legitimacy of smaller, growing channels? Twitch has insulted the community with this move.
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valleau
commented
The streamer should be able to set their own channel's raid requirements
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Bandeirante95
commented
Yesterday i was so happy that igot my first raid, sad to see that if it as today, it wouldnt count
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general_ryder
commented
Us smaller channels wanna show our appreciation by wanting to raid bigger channels and show they're worth raiding! LET US RAID WITH LESS THAN 5 PEOPLE!
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commander_panda_
commented
Leave the decision is the streamers hands
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Hugo_Fuchs
commented
I get it. Big streamers don't want raid alerts from tiny groups. So put in a numerical option on what size triggers the alert with the default being 1.
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ChenelleMonsterHyena
commented
As a small variety twitch streamer, it's extremely unfair to get any raids. Twitch, be considerate and recognize small streamers.
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Yukiebabii
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I don’t think this is fair for us smaller streamers. Especially trying to help smaller streamer than my own channel. We need to grow together and help each other to reach our dreams.
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GaslampWitch
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Trans tag: 3000+ votes.
Raid number changes: no votes.
This thread: 450+ votes.
Twitch, what's the point of having this functionality if you're not going to listen to your users?
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lyghtstarr157
commented
As a small streamer, this is really ******* me and many of my friends, who are also small streamers. Doing this hurts me because if I am raiding someone new they don't get notified and won't then thank me and my raiders for coming meaning I don't get promoted to a potential new audience. And when my friends try to raid me and their number is small then I don't see them necessarily and can't advertise them my viewers. How are smaller channels supposed to get bigger if one of main networking tools has been taken away from us?
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badigailplays
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They're not just numbers, they're human beings. If I get raided by two people, that's two people who have decided that I'm cool enough to hang out with. That's two people I can chat with and have a great time with, two people I can welcome into my own community and share experiences with, two people I can get to know. I love small raids, they're super personal and perfect for helping build communities. Literally every streamer started with one viewer, and Twitch filtering out small raids is totally invalidating of small streamers.
Come on, Twitch! You're all about "community" but 2-5 people IS a community! Your "About" section literally says "Bring your passions; we’ll help you build a community around them," but you're doing the opposite of that.
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kirosho
commented
"viewer counts don't matter"
'suspends raid alert for less than 5 viewers'
Idiots be aware of your own platform for once -
FractalMindMike
commented
This is true. I understand people can abuse the raids and spam channels with raid alerts, but honestly it hurts up coming streamers too much.
If you want to combat raid spam, then just only show alerts for small raid parties that have had a stream running for >60 minutes. It will effectively stop spam, and still allow smaller streamers to get recognition they deserve.