Bad Raid Requirements
I just noticed the recent changes to people setting raids after a stream how the requirement is now pushed to minimum of 5 viewers and over. I have to say this in REALLY bad, because this hurts smaller streamers who might not have that many viewers watching their channel, only to see their own raids turn into hosts instead. This essentially cripples streamers ability to be noticed when they raid someone after finishing a stream, it was already bad enough when you crippled it so that people can't raid/host channels from 1 viewer, which is fine I guess, but to change the requirement to 5 viewers is bad overall.
I want to recognise the people who raid into me even if their viewership isn't that big, I don't want to see someone just show up as a host to my streams when they set a raid. it just makes their raids seem less significant. This is something that needs to be reverted to how it was before.
I keep seeing stupid changes like these being made on Twitch that make no sense at all without any careful consideration of what it ends up doing to streamers as a result. Case in point like how you were gonna force mid-roll ads on streams, and immediately people pointed out how bad that is.
TheAlkaris
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Admindowski
(Admin, Twitch)
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Hey guys! We really appreciate the feedback that has been brought forth in this thread and just wanted to update you a little bit on what is going on.
This change was originally made to guard against raid bot attacks. While smaller raids are currently viewable in activity feed in the dashboard, we are working on a solution that treats raids equally while guarding against abuse tactics.
https://twitter.com/TwitchSupport/status/1313975539682684929
129 comments
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SteTechGaming
commented
@Bernateles That was 3 days ago though, the 1 person raid I saw was today, so Twitch must have done something between 3 days ago and today.
Just to be clear, I saw the chat notification and SLOBS alert that a streamer was raiding with a party of 1, not in my own stream, but a streamer I regularly watch.
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Bernateles
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It doesn't mean nothing @SteTechGaming, because all raids are trigger on slobs but when I go on activity feed on twitch the raids doesn't show up there and 3 days ago I received a raid that slobs alert doesn't show up but then on twitch on the activity feed was there that raid
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SteTechGaming
commented
Looks like the issue has been resolved. Just seen a party of 1 trigger a Streamlabs alert on a stream I'm watching
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뭇노예
commented
Doesn't show up in activity feed whatsoever, hurts small streamers who use raids to network and grow. I personally find it discouraging and Twitch continues to impose new gates against small communities. Is the intention of Twitch to push small streamers onto other platforms?
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Toolless
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I have been feeling disheartened this past while because I have had reduced average viewers, but finally hit that 100 follower mark, which was a massive pick up. So done an 8 hour celebration stream, and then raided. I raided somebody whilst on a high from having such a good time, being so proud of reaching 100 followers... for no raid alert to appear because I seemingly am not important enough to be recognised by anybody because I am not high enough in the hierarchy. It was such a blow to my self esteem, and my feeling of progress and achievement, all because I did not quite have enough viewers.
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TheMissMindyShow
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Please Remove this....this hurts small streamers tremendously and makes people like me feel like garbage if we miss a raid and miss the opportunity to shout them out and welcome their viewers to my stream.
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elly_darling
commented
It's embarrassing when people are raiding but no alerts are coming up because the raid is too small :( I want to be able to thank any streamer who wants to raid me!
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Blurrygil
commented
Please reverse this. It harms small streamers. :-/
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RayPini
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Revert this immediately. The bot spam in chat is more of a problem than bot raids. You're damaging smaller streamers.
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gatetnegre
commented
I had two raids that made the requirements... 11 and 9 people... and still didn't show the notification, and i don't understand why!
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xx_diablola_xx
commented
If the requirement for affiliates is 3 avg viewers then why would a raid be 5?
This is horrible for small streamers and really knocks your confidence...
Imagine all those who have just become an affiliate and then they're faced with this.
And, I know you could just tell the streamer you're raiding, but if have anxiety or have just finished your stream and are worn out, it's just gonna make you're not gonna feel like you can't or that you have to explain yourself for something that wasn't an issue before. -
iZTheePANDA
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This hurts so much. It hurts small streamers so much. Twitch should be ashame of themselves. You already known that some small streamers get at least an average of 2-4 viewers. They need to change this. It makes 0 sense. They didn't know that bot raids can be big too, so what is the point of all of this? I have at least an average of 3 and now I couldn't even raid my favorite streamers because of this bullcrap. They're trying to protect bots from getting in but can't even ban people who breaks the rules. Makes no sense.
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TerraTiger
commented
This is a really bad feature for small channels on twitches part. I want to see notification on my stream even if it's a party of one!
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CyrusLightshard
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Until this is fixed, I made a completely free redeemable Alert in Stream Labs CloudBot's Item store that is my normal raid sound and image, so when someone comes in with a lower view count raid, they can redeem it to let me know that it was indeed a raid. Allowing bots that help us manage our channels, and communities is not a bad thing, however, there has to be a way short of user reports of finding the bots. I mean a lot of the time, the username is a dead giveaway. Also, there needs to be better communication of these changes before they happen, as it starts getting confusing when these things happen and no one knows what is going on
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Rican_playa
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If bots are the problem instead of crippling the streamers why not focus on the ones that are using bots in the first place. Then that will take care of the bot in raids!!!!!
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toothpaste
commented
Yeah, there has to be a better solution, small raids are so important for building your community and supporting other streamers...
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Godmin
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I understand the requirement to guard against raid bot attacks, but there must be another solution. For small streamers the small raids are essential for building communities and for bigger streamers they show appreciation.
As all streamers are able to configure their default notification limits: please re-enable the old behaviour. Thanks -
palex00
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I'm also a small streamer. I'm raiding mostly with 2-4 viewers but sometimes even with 7. But with these 3-person raids I've discovered and build a community with several other streamers, boosting all our viewer numbers in the process. With this change that's... kinda ruined. There's no appreciation anymore. And it's always weird when everybody is saying "Raid!!" and the Alert says "XYZ is hosting you!"
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GeneralM13
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1. Twitch could give us a setting that allows us to choose from what numbers raids trigger alerts in chat. Alerts wise streamlabs etc have that covered on their end too.
2. if Bots are the issue then DEAL with the bots instead of imposing stupid "rules" on your own platform that make people ****** off.
Bots have been A PLAGUE on twitch since they were allowed a while back EVERYTIME we start streaming there's an entire LEAGUE of bots in our chats and we have NO ways of getting rid of them. -
zestykumquats
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As a smaller streamer i would love for this to be fixed.