Change revenue split between streamers and lower payout minimums
I believe these recommendations combined would positively make a huge impact for every streamer and supporter.
Change the payout split between streamers and Twitch. Right now affiliates and most partners only get a 50% split from a Twitch subscriptions ($2.50 USD). I would like to see all streamers get a minimum 70% revenue split from subscriptions with a higher revenue split for all partners 80%. Currently both Facebook and YouTube streamers get a 70% split from subscriptions (and they have the option to create custom subscriber tiers with Youtube).
In addition, I would like to see Twitch lower its payout minimum which is currently $100 USD to $10 - $20 USD. A $100 USD payout is the equivalent to 40 subscriptions not including bits or ad revenue. For the smaller streamers to benefit from that financial support a viewer gives them, they need to be able to actually receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
To put this in perspective: Amazon Affiliates monthly payout minimum is 10 USD (they also give the option to pay out with gift cards) and Patreon's monthly payout minimum is only 3 USD.
Hey everyone -
Firstly, we want to thank SaltyWyvern for posting this request, and the 22k+ of you who have supported it with your votes, comments, and shares. We have been blown away by the response to this post, and have been carefully considering it for the better part of the last year. As there are actually two asks in this post, we will address them individually.
For the primary request of increasing the revenue share split to 70/30, the standard revenue share for subscriptions is 50/50, and we do not have plans to change the standard revenue share. We understand that this is disappointing for many of you, but we’d like to provide some reasoning behind the decision. To quote our President, Dan Clancy, from the blog we posted today:
“When we first established a 50/50 revenue share split, it was to signal that we’re in this together. You all do the amazing work you do to create great content, engage with your audience, and grow communities. On our side of the partnership, it’s our responsibility to make continuous investments in the products and people that make your growth possible.
As you probably heard by now, we’re in the middle of rolling out the largest change to payouts in years by cutting the payout threshold in half to $50. This is an important middle step that will help streamers put money in their pockets now, while getting us closer to our goal of same day payouts and lower thresholds.
Investments like these are paying off for streamers. Products like Prime Subs, Community Gifting, Hype Train, and the Ads Incentive Program, to name a few, have driven an increase of 27% more streamer revenue per viewer hour every year over the last five years. This means the same viewer hour now earns you three times more money than it did five years ago, on average. Our investments into your monetization options have already and continue to put more money into streamers’ pockets than 20% more subs revenue share would have.
Prime Subs often get lost in the conversation when it comes to revenue share. For Prime Subs, we pay streamers the same amount they’d receive for a regular subscription even though it is included as an added benefit of their Prime subscription. Combined with other monetization products, Prime Subs increase your effective revenue share by approximately 15%, to about 65% total. This number varies by streamer size and location, but subscription revenue share is not the full picture on revenue share for streamers.
Lastly, we have to talk about the cost of our service. Delivering high definition, low latency, always available live video to nearly every corner of the world is expensive. Using the published rates from Amazon Web Services’ Interactive Video Service (IVS) — which is essentially Twitch video — live video costs for a 100 CCU streamer who streams 200 hours a month are more than $1000 per month. We don’t typically talk about this because, frankly, you shouldn’t have to think about it. We’d rather you focus on doing what you do best. But to fully answer the question of “why not 70/30,” ignoring the high cost of delivering the Twitch service would have meant giving you an incomplete answer.“
As mentioned above, we recently started a rollout for reducing the minimum payout threshold to $50. Although this does not fully meet the request of $10-20 today, we will continue exploring ways to bring your hard-earned money to you faster, and more efficiently and aim to continue to lower the payout threshold in the future.
While we are declining this request, it’s still crucial to know that the primary value of sharing your feedback on UserVoice is to have your voices heard and suggestions considered. We will not always be able to provide the desired outcome, but it’s important to us to be transparent and open when we can, and we will be focusing on providing more consistent updates on UserVoice as time goes on.
We deserve more. 50% is what we should get according to Twitch. Every time I check my dashboard, a single sub is anywhere between $1.60 and $2.38 and not higher. Be honest and raise this. It's terrible to say it's 50% and not even give us that.
Highly agreed. Twitch needs to fix this honestly. I sit at getting barely over $100 every two months. Twitch needs to do something about this, it isn't fair to Affiliates.
If you won't protect us, at least pay us.
Indeed, the amount of limitations the current system implements. Once a month, 50% of all earnings (not donations at least) being kept. That is ridiculous really.
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Plus, once a month is pre ridiculous, I get the trying to get around to everyone, but come on. Once a month, really?
Shae makes a good point, but two weeks should be the payout time for everybody.
Couldn't agree more.
there shouldn't even BE a payout minimum. people should be paid in a timely manner like wages. every two weeks for affiliates, every week for partners.
EDIT: Spore, saw your comment and realized I had the times wrong. fixed.
every two weeks for everyone *at least*!
Idea inspired by Elle Rows, thank you
50% is honestly disgusting, twitch. you would overall get more of my money if i knew most of my sub was going to the streamer, js.
Is highway robbery I tell you highway robbery
this needs to happen. especially for those of us outside of the US. $2.50 converts to £1.81 for us in the UK :/ it’s insulting
How about the streamer gets 100% of the earnings if they lower the amount to get paid. But if the regular payment is more than ex amount it becomes 80/20 then another tier or 70/30 etc an partner becomes 50/50? I think it would make it alot fairer for people streaming on smaller channels
This is an excellent idea. I'd only add that I don't think there's enough recognition that because streamers are very often part of communities (and are therefore viewers themselves), they're putting that 50% revenue split back into the platform by supporting other streamers (through subs, gift subs, bits etc).
The issue is also with the #TwitchDoBetter... 50% isn't worth putting ourselves in danger and working this hard. Twitch takes half of our hard-earned money, but won't even bother to keep us safe. It's ridiculous. We are truly just another number.
This would help my streaming so much
Twitch really needs to not rest on its success, the internet moves quick. Make this a great platform for new streamers by improving the payout.
I really hope twitch will do better especially since some streamers need this to help them out voting now :)
Agree wholeheartedly! The whole payout system is ridiculous. I was shocked when I went to do the Affiliate Onboarding a few weeks ago. Been streaming for a month and haven't been able to pay out yet!