Make Art/Creative its own directory
Hi all! We really appreciate all of the wonderful feedback and passion surrounding this topic. Reading through the comments, we wanted to clarify one point that may have caused confusion:
The purpose of this experiment with new directories is intended to better highlight broad groupings of content by bringing them together in directories where they wouldn’t be in direct competition with each other, increasing their exposure. In this way, creative content stands to have better exposure by being separated from gaming, etc. We will know better once the experiment concludes and we’re able to review the data in full.
That being said, through your feedback, we also recognize that the broad naming of the category as “IRL” doesn’t acknowledge that Creative and IRL content are distinct. We will be evaluating the results of the experiment to determine how we can continue to best support communities’ growth, while ensuring we are recognizing their unique qualities. Please continue to share your thoughts and ideas around this topic!
Yeah real distinct categories you have for this bull experiment. The only creativity you've acknowledged is music and you can't even do anything with that thanks to the DMCApocalypse
So to review your idea of "unique categorization"
Games, also games but the player is getting paid, dead space, and everything else.
Can you maybe see why people are frustrated? We're not confused you're just being jerks.
Yes, please do keep art separate and in it's own category, just like having a makers and crafting category as well as a science and technology category are all important and should not be lumped together. Each are unique and the talented people are many for each category. If anything, spend more time promoting the separate categories by maybe doing a twitch presents weekly stream with various artists from each of the smaller categories like you did with the music category. there are many people that don't know that there is a makers and crafting category that I have come across. I feel when you create a new category to help separate it out it twitch's responsibility to let their members know "new categories have been created, please check them out! 😉" Whether it be in a tweet or each twitch users personal notifications on the browser like you do for drops and other important events.
Wonderful management you have there. A shame if something bad were to happen to it. Like the death of the platform because of mismanagement. Seriously, how can you be so willfully ignorant of what a community desires out of your product?
With everything going on and your lack of tools for streamers I am guessing that by the end of next year it wont matter anyway as the service will implode under the weight of the poor decisions and we will all migrate to youtube. Good luck to you.
There is appeciating feedback, and then there is actually listening to feedback.
Data can only tell you only numbers, not the thoughts and opinions of the people behind those numbers.
I am sure that we all appreciate that you are trying to make the platform better, whether that be obtaining site-wide licences for music to protect the streamers who generate money for Twitch or highlighting specific main categories over others to bring them exposure.
But by burying the entire Creative section (including Science & Programming) under IRL is a serious flaw in your thinking on this matter, NONE of the categories within Creative come anywhere close to IRL.
Giving Creative it's own main directory like you have for Gaming||Music||IRL|| Esports is all the 5800++ people who voted on this issue are asking for, it is a LOW COST/FREE FIX to a major issue between Twitch and the creative/arts streamers on the platform.
We are literally asking for one thing, the same exposure as every other main category/directory on Twitch has the privilige of getting.
I think this response has come across as a bit tone deaf and not addressing the issue with a rather simple solution. Having a creative category is not a difficult fix.
You don’t need an “experiment” to see that artists are not happy about this decision. A group which is not only users of twitch, but also create assets for other twitch users. Ignoring their input and continuing to make decisions based on “data” rather then users of your platform is ridiculous. The response is loud and clear. If music can have it’s own category art should as well, if not, it’s a clear disregard to these crucial users on your platform.
The purpose of this experiment with new directories is intended to better highlight broad groupings of content (games) by bringing them together in directories where they wouldn’t be in direct competition with each other (one mega directory called GAMES), increasing their exposure. In this way, gaming content stands to have better exposure by being separated from creative, IRL, etc.
That being said, through your feedback, we also recognize that the broad naming of the category as “GAMES” doesn’t acknowledge that different games are distinct. We will be evaluating the results of the experiment to determine how we can continue to best support communities’ growth, while ensuring we are recognizing their unique qualities. Please continue to share your thoughts and ideas around this topic!
No one here is confused. Don't patronize us.
Most people would not look for Creative content under the IRL directory - this does not in any way bring better exposure to the Creative categories.
Also, this still doesn't answer why Music (which is CREATIVE CONTENT) gets it's own directory while everyone else is placed under IRL.
The current IRL grouping is TOO broad, and now you have streamers competing against other streamers who are doing totally different forms of content. When I think of IRL, I think of streamers that watch youtube videos with their chat, open up trading cards, vlog their travel adventures, make reviews of movies, books, shows, etc., or host documentary style streams. Now creatives are competing with THAT. That's already too broad and varied to begin with!
Twitch: We heard you but we think you are confused children who don't understand. Let us put out a totally TONE DEAF response that shows we don't understand or give a rat's excrement hole about creatives and we think lumping them in a broad grouping is somehow helpful.
Creatives: Stop Experimenting on us like lab rats and give us a directory
"creative content stands to have better exposure by being separated from gaming, etc." Creative is already separated from gaming and IRL by having its own category. Why complicate it further? Keep it simple and let creative have its own category. What do you mean by better exposure? If you want creative to have "better exposure" then highlight more creatives on the frontpage.
You are indeed putting art and creatives in 'direct competition' with unrelated things, so undermining your own supposed goal.
Than you for not caring.
Creative streamers: "Stop lumping us in with IRL and give us our own category."
Twitch PM: "Okay, I hear ya, but what if we just rename the IRL category instead?"
Translation: “We don’t actually care what you think and we are going to go ahead with this stupid idea anyway.”
Artists and Creators deserve just as much exposure and support as any other streamer! They are just as necessary and integral to the streaming community, please don't count us out!
eSports, Games, IRL, Music, Creative. Those top-level categories highlight the variety of Twitch, add variety to the site's offerings, and at least superficially present the site as more than just games, which is great for expanding the advertising base.
With "Creative" highlighted akin to how Music currently is, the category will grow and you will *genuinely* have something to offer advertisers besides gamers watching games and interested in game ads.
If you get rid of makers and crafting or the art category, its going to dive the platform and shun the ones that do what we love.
You need to keep the Creative category. It would be a big lose for the art community. please reconsider it !
When I first started streaming there was a Creative category which has since gone away and it's been really frustrating. There are a lot of us that do multiple creative things - in my case, I stream Art, Writing, and Gaming. The Creative category covered all of it...
I'd like to see three things:
Bring back Creative.
Add Writing. The "writers" one has no icon and is insufficient. And there are a LOT of writers here.
I love artist, I love the imagination and creation that artist do. For me I love seeing this as entertainment as well. Art is in all things entertainment.
stop treating art/creative like the outcast of twitch and start showcasing and spotlighting them. i remember when twitch had the two separate directories for gaming and then creative. it needs to stop being swept to the side. you'd probably get even more artists to stream on your platform if you showed them some love. why we're shoved and buried into the IRL category is beyond me..
The creative community on twitch is one of the friendliest and most welcoming community that i have ever came across. We all know and share the struggles, the joy and everything in between.
And for a community to survive, we need a creative category, otherwise we'll drown in the noise that comes from something so broad as "IRL".
Putting art/creative in IRL is like putting all First Person Shooter games in one category and so on.
Instead of putting art and other creative sections like Makers and crafting, cooking, etc under IRL, give us back the "Creative" category.
please Twitch, don't give up on us artists. Please don't make us give up on you.